i am speechless!

[sama]

i truly am speechless! in view of the fact that there is an epidemic of childhood obesity in the uk, as in america, i was gobsmacked to hear this.

a small boy was sitting opposite his father, and with his back to me, in a cafe where i was having a cup of coffee. he was whining about his food, and his father leaned over and said clearly to him 'just eat your burger and chips - you dont have to eat all this green stuff or the tomatoes - you arent a b....y rabbit!'

dont people listen? dont they read? cant they see?

i am open to having this moved to vent and rant by the admin team, but this is not truly a rant, but a plea for discussion. what do you all think about that? i would be fascinated to know.

we are supposed to be learning, and yet so many of us close our eyes and ears to the obvious. we thus do not teach our children basically sensible behaviour that will help them in their future lives as citizens of this planet.

i found this a truly amazing experience, and to be honest i had to bite my cheek hard to stop myself from yelling out at the parent DONT SAY THAT! or there will be another little one who is forcefed sugar and fats.

i do not think that all children are indigo or crystal - some are quite simply - usual, ordinary children, beautiful in their own ways, but not, necessarily, the new wave. these little souls are delightful, and they deserve respect as all children do, not to be misled by their parents.

what do you all think about this? i truly want to know, if possible. it was just appaling to hear this father. i am sure he was a lovely man, and had the best intentions for his children, but to say that to his son, and then to buy him a gigantic, and i mean GIGANTIC icecream sundae, with sugar syrup on it, made my eyes water with the effort of keeping silent!

hugs
sama

[Sowelu]

I tend to feel differently about these matters, and it would take a book to explain my view, perhaps, so I'll just try to offer the most salient points...

Bear in mind this is just my view, and I don't mean to impose it on anyone. All of our judgments, standards and beliefs have sustaining value for each of us. If they didn't, we wouldn't have them. And in this sense it's all good in the end. But you did ask what others think, and so I offer what follows.

For hundreds of years mankind has been focused on the outer level of their lives, their behaviors and beliefs especially, in an attempt to change themselves. While some small few have managed some level of change with this practice, it is often temporary. In those cases where it is permanent, it is not because of whatever they were DOING, though they may not realize it. They had a shift in their emotional energy flow which amounts to facing and clearing some emotional issue they had around whatever concept they were trying to alter for themselves. Their mind then became "newly informed, in a true way", so that there was no inner conflict acting against their desire for the change.

Whew! That was a mouthful. Sorry. As I said, it's difficult to put to words, for me.

Change comes from within. If we are tempted to overindulge and are not happy about it, there is a root cause for this tendency that will not be "fixed" by refusing to overindulge, or by shifting the yearning to another substance (so-called "healthier" foods). All that will do for most is channel that yearning, hidden sense of "desperate need" to some other area of life.

What's needed is to go to the source of the sense of need to behave in such a manner. It is not about beliefs, contrary to popular opinion (eat whole foods only, eat only raw foods, eat a healthy well-rounded diet, eat vegetarian only, etc.). The root of the trouble is raw life force energy that is in a holding pattern in the self, stuck "in the dark". Namely, it is fear or ignorance, or anger or some derivative of fear.

You, a Divine Being in truth, can eat anything at all, do anything at all... and have no ill effect whatsoever. This is the ultimate truth to understand. Most of us are not living that truth yet, granted, but it is a truth to understand and work from.

The reason it doesn't work that way is not because you're "doing the wrong things" or "eating the wrong things" but because you are emotionally stuck on fears of some kind, that produce beliefs of the sort that say you must suffer in some way in order to be better, feel better, get better, etc. No amount of diet shifting will alter the basic issue.

And the basic issue will pop up in myriad ways in one's life until it's addressed where it lives - the hidden dark pockets in the emotional body.

So when I hear a conversation like the one you heard, sama, I'm not shocked and I don't take offense at any level, I simply understand that there is a case of two people still struggling with how to get it "right" in a world with no instructions. Or... that they are having a grand time with "their lot" and I still wish them well! Depends on if I sense emotional energy out of sorts as I view the scene. How they deal with it all is up to them, and I wish them well.

SEEing reality as it actually is, is more difficult than it might at first seem. When we look at a person who is very heavy, we assume they have to eat less to lose weight or more importantly, to be HEALTHY. But in truth, that's not necessarily so. When we see a person who is "too" thin, we assume they must eat more to gain weight or in order to be HEALTHY. Again, not necessarily so. We are not them. What is going on for them, what they're here to learn or experience, is all part and parcel of what we see. And without all that other info, any judgment or decision we make about them is purely for our own benefit, and about us, ultimately.

We all know of cases where "the assumed course of action that should 'fix' the problem" had no beneficial effect on a person, and yet we still don't heed that obvious sign that something more is at work than what we DO at the external level.

Much of humanity's "common sense" is based on distorted thinking. That's because the fuel with which the human mind thinks... is distorted. Our emotions are our fuel... they are life force, personalized. And so much of ours is locked up in hidden fears and distorted patterns, that we don't even realize this is what is fueling our minds, causing us to think - about almost everything - in a distorted manner.

Is it necessarily bad to be overweight according to modern standards? There's a study just recently out that determined that women are better off with more weight on their bodies as they age, and that they benefit from caffeinated coffee. This is in direct contradiction to previous studies... why might that be?

We are each unique and our health is not necessarily predicated on what we DO, how much weight we carry, or what we believe. Honoring our differences and uniqueness essentially requires that we let go of "across the board" standards that "should" apply to everyone equally.

When we truly learn to love ourselves, we will suddenly see that everyone has their own way, and it is just beautiful and right for them. No need to judge or correct or guide them. At all. If they ask for help, we can offer what we've discovered for ourselves, but that's really all we have to give. And it may not apply for them, don't forget.

Sooo... bless them rather than react, perhaps. And ask within what you can learn from the situation you encountered that triggered such a strong reaction in you.

Much love,
Sowelu

[dutchraven]

Interesting topic.
I understand what you both are saying.
Me I'd probably chuckle silently when I'd saw that scene, cause it reminds me of my grandpa who could just say something like that, lettuce is for bunnies he used to say.. <smiles>

I think, for myself, food does hold a particular vibration, and not all of us are on that level where we understand how we can change that vibration for our bodies in the way that we are not ill effected by it. I think the first requirement would be a ROCKSTEADY belief in this possibility. And humanity is absolutely not there yet as a whole (specifically, I am not there yet, lol) As long as we don't believe we can change the foods we eat or the way we respond, ánd we know how to put that into practice (!) the basic physics still count.
And in that viewpoint it would be wiser to eat foods with quality vibration that has the least ill effect on our bodies. Interesting enough all (!) foods have an ill effect. Everything we eat produces waste and byproducts wich are toxic to our system and we loose them as efficiently as possible through our digestive system and our skin and breath. If you want people to be completely healthy, you're too late, it just can't be done (at least not the old way) on this planet anymore... in a way everything has become toxic. So what Sowelu said sounds very true, it is the way of the future I think... but even more so, I suspect in the future we won't even need food (like breatharians) and just be sustained by LIFE FORCE. But thats wayyyy ahead (and thank god, cause I like eating ;D)

And... very important I think, what is good for one is not by law good for another.. (though generally speaking yes I think there are things that are good for the most)
I knew someone that is allergic to raw fruits and vegetables... and that may be al little extreme, but you know what I mean. (not that I think the father was aware of it though, but maybe on some level, those people you (sama) saw could have a genetic dislike to veggies, and don't put that aside as a whimsical idea just yet please , but think about it... strong dislike won't do a body any good I suspect)

I was brought up on lots of candy and ofcourse there would be some damage done, but not irreversable (I just believe that you know, not that I can do something miraculous about it yet, but hey, the beginning is there <smiles>).
Just be a little patient with the human race, all will be well.

Love,
Dutch Raven

[sama]

thank you both! very interesting. i shall mull over what you have both said!

hugs
sama

[sama]

hi guys - read and reread, and i HUGELY appreciate what you both said. all views have value, i think, even the rather negative one that i hold on this! mainly because, i guess, i have always had trouble with controlling my weight, and i also absolutely LOATHE vegetables! but....i do eat some, cooked, and i juice the ones i really cant stand! my dislike goes back to the good old days of boiling everything until uniform grey, so that its 'properly' cooked...and if you were as old as this old broad, you would remember those words your mothers spoke with authority! if our veggies had been al dente, my mother would have slung them straight back in the pan and boiled them until they were ...... in her words ...... properly cooked! and school dinners.....ugh. just ugh. even after learning to cook properly, i still hated vegetables. so yes i do understand that aspect of it!

sowelu - you arent by any chance a professor of something? are you? it took me at least three reads to properly understand what you meant, and i am embarrassed to admit that!! dutchraven - thank you also - i understand what you have said too.

i rather think i was thinking entirely 3d, and as a grandmother, as opposed to going up a notch! i was just appalled to see a belief inculcated so early. i cant help wondering if that child will grow up believing that lettuce is rabbit food, ditto tomatoes.

but, as you so wisely say, bless them, and i shall endeavour to keep my snout out of others' business in future! it is so easy to be judgmental in matters like this, and i am afraid that the granny in me snaps to attention when i hear people speaking like that. long way to go, ascension-wise, i know that!

thank you
hugs
sama

[Sowelu]

Hey sama! Noooo... no "formal" education after what was required by law, basically. I HAVE been a teacher though, oddly enough, for adults. It was my business when I was still entrepreneuring. (*sigh* the good ol' days... *heehee*)

Love you!
Sowelu

[dutchraven]

dear Sama,

I agree with you, all views are valuable, all hold part of the truth.

I don't object at all against 3d, it's the dimension we had/have to master first I think .. And that's tough enough as is (my personal opinion okay, but who here doesnt agree?)

I actually like the 'grandma reaction', you felt responsible for that kid, as you had/have your own hurldles to take and didnt wish that for that kid to happen. Thats love in my eyes. Feeling protective is ok I think. As long as we don't live other peoples life for them. Sometimes I think it's also okay to say something about it if you feel compelled to. You are not master of their lives ofcourse, but you could have presented them with an alternate viewpoint. And in this case you didn't say something about it, the reaction was turned inward, so maybe this was just something to observe and trigger a process in you. You see, it doesn't matter. As long as we honour eachothers free will it's okay. And I know you were doing that (maybe not your own free will, but then again that also falls under free will, lol )

There's something to be said for your concern about the kid.
Don't forget. Keep the positive in your reaction and leave/process the negative. I had the feeling that you were beating yourself a little up about it, but I strongly think theres absolutely no reason for it, so I might have misread your feelings in the last post (and thats an easy thing to do on the net..) But I think it's because of what you said finishing the post that made me feel like you are a 'bit' hard on yourself.

quote:
"and i shall endeavour to keep my snout out of others' business in future! it is so easy to be judgmental in matters like this, and i am afraid that the granny in me snaps to attention when i hear people speaking like that. long way to go, ascension-wise, i know that!"

I mean if you saw somebody with a knife sneaking up on someone else, and you could see his intent to hurt or kill that person, or maybe someone was accidentally pushed in front of a car by another person and you had it in your power to do something to prevent that. Would you really question your attempt to do so? Again an extreme I use in a post, but it makes a point sometimes clearer. Sometimes big things can light up the little things ..

Sometimes, yes it is about our experiance and judgement, and perhaps even all the time if we want to stop 'bad' things from happening. But then again, would the world really be a better place? Are we always called for inaction, or is it something more. It's not black and white and we are still growing to understand, all of us.

And...
We are all ascending imo, it's an evolutionary process, understanding of things just makes it easier sometimes for our own sake, and probably that of others as well, but it's no condition. I even think ascending is actually meant to be fun. Like oh wow, we can do this this way instead of the old, perhaps unfullfilling, way... or hey I don't have to be hard on myself I'm actually doing great, I am a powerful being!
Most of the things I learn about the changes that are evolving upon and well actually through us, the more I feel in place and at home, and it makes me happy!!
If fast is no fun, then a slower more funfilled fullfilling way would be better I think. And sometimes it seems to go slow, but when your heart and souljoy is in it, you can't go any faster, you go with your beat, and it will probably surprise anyone how fast that can go sometimes.

Thank you for bringing up the topic Sama, it turned on a lot of machinery in my head and Self.
It started with dinner, but the desert might be as rich!

Love,
Dutch Raven

[sama]

more than welcome!!

hugs
sama

[LilliHart]

Sama
I am sure I have a reaction/response to your post...but at the moment I am feeling quite addled. But I do want to respond to one thing you said that I just loved...

the word 'gobsmacked'. Now that is a word I have not heard in ages and it's so wonderful and says so much and it makes me laugh!

GOBSMACKED!

[Nemue]

To each there own.

It probably isn’t that surprising that we have an obesity problem in so many countries. It does have a lot to do with fear, loss of self worth. Feelings of hopelessness and loss of control!

None of this should be startling because we are going through the most dramatic changes both in our physical and spiritual world.

I also love the expression GOBSMACKED and use it frequently.

[Sowelu]

I consistently get a sense that the weight issue for humanity also has a lot to do with the influx of energies that we process "for ascension" but that the general population just feels as stress, pressure or a "squeeze" on their daily routine. Weight tends to help one carry greater frequency when it isn't being made conscious.

20 or more years ago, we didn't have so many waves of energy bombarding this realm, triggering what lies deep beneath to rise up and get noticed by the consciousness. And there were far fewer obese people at that time. But those who were obese or "had weight problems" back then, tended to have emotional issues they didn't know how to deal with (not across the board, mind you, but certainly to a great degree).

As we move forward with this "spirit urging to become conscious and awaken" there are those who aren't ready, don't intend to wake up, or are still grappling with the whole thing, who may tend to wear a lot of that energy on their bodies as fat. We've all experienced our emotions impacting our bodies to some degree on this path.

This is the realm of manifestation, after all. It needs to be expressed somehow. I'm not saying that's the case for each and every overweight person, but I sense it applies to many.

[destra]

As I personally began my ascension and awakening over a decade ago, I began to put on weight. Many people do get a bit pudgy during the "process".

This thread is interesting. It was interesting to read everyones different view points. I used to (until recently even) have very passionate views on this type of thing. But lately i've kinda become less vocal, feeling much peace in just being myself. The world is truly a frustrating place, so i'm much more interested in living and let live. And while i'm living i'll just focus on my life, my lessons, my responsibilities.

I think if you get mad every time you see something being done out of the scope of what is "right" or "wrong" for you personally, you'll end up being mad a LOT. Just live and let live. You can change people by example but you will never change them by force.

Just my 2 cents

Much Love,
Destra

[sama]

yes - i couldnt agree more! i was just utterly dumbstruck, after the amount of information concerning the value of decent nutrition for children in particular, to see this young man telling his son this! absolutely gobsmacked! i had honestly thought that people were learning from the various publications, news articles, etc. that they need to encourage little ones to eat well, not tell them that they weren't a b....y rabbit! it astonished me, so i thought i would share it. afraid my reaction was very 3d nosey - although you will be glad to know that i did NOT actually say anything, but my son said that my face registered it all perfectly adequately!

the reactions so far are absolutely fascinating. thank you all.

hugs

sama

[LilliHart]

I have a friend who is a Native American shaman and she has a very interesting point of view on the weight thing....one I have not previously heard and it makes a lot of sense.

She says that in the process of our taking in the new energies we are of course 'expanding' but many of us who are overweight are this way because we are incorrectly expanding out auric sheaths to accomodate the energy shift. Rather she says, we need to learn how to expand the merkaba with the ever expansive energetic growth. The aura should not be growing, but instead maintaining a more-or-less steady,egg-shaped size around the physical body. She postulates that this is the reason for our weight gain and that if we can learn to transfer the energies to the merkaba where they belong, in the light bodies, then we will not only loose weight phsycailly but also kee pit off. Interesting postulate. Personally I still have a skinny merkaba and an oversized aura to match my oversized behind.

[Sowelu]

I'm curious if she states a method for shifting it, Liliahnah? I feel validity in her view. I also have about 30 extra pounds on me, which I find annoying. It doesn't seem to matter what I eat, if I eat, if I exercise... nothing changes it. Odd.

I experienced a very consistent low/normal weight until 2001 when I had a major awakening experience. During that experience I drastically lost weight (2 or 3 weeks time!), but shortly after I gained the weight I still have, and it's been constant and unchanging no matter what I do, since.