i am speechless!

[tiamat]

If it was down to 'the correct nutrition for children' then there wouldn't be so much crap in foods in the form of flavorings and additives. Why is there so much shit stuff around, with no nutritional value or taste for people to eat in the first place?

[sama]

well, you are in the uk, tiamat, so you KNOW how much information about nutrition is being disemminated now. you only have to look at how many people jamie oliver has influenced, and the various nutrition magazines - you are what you eat, etc. to see that the information is THERE. the reason for the junk that is in our foods still is, i think, purely to do with cost and the lack of palate of so many. people are USED to artificially flavoured foods, and they do not feel the urge to find out what natural foods taste like. like those awful flaming turkey twizzlers that jamie oliver speaks of on his programme.

cheap processed food is easy for those who do not know how to cook, or prepare food, and unfortunately it sets the palate to some extent, so that fresh, natural foodstuffs are regarded as a little odd, or not nice-tasting.

and the manufacturers dont want to make the effort to compete with the organic market either.

the information is THERE, but people still need to be pointed towards it, it seems.

sama

[tiamat]

I feel the information means little to most, and its not what is needed anyway. Just get the crap off the shelves, and we would have to make choices from what was left.

Also feel that the organic market is a joke, and the big retailers have little to worry about competition from that quarter. I would trust local produce grown on allotments and the like, but organic farmers have been found using pesticides and other chemicals, once the profit margins become a factor.

[ADMIN]

I'm late on this one... ;D
Definetly there is a change happening and a lot of people who do eat healthy are putting on weight as well. That's because the body works on it's reserves.
I have never since the day I was born been a meat eater, and to each it's own as some were taught to eat meat while others weren't. I have but lately been craving meat once in while and guess my body needs it thru the transission. That's what I can guess because I have never been attracted to a juicy steaks like many, on the contrary when chewing on the flesh I feel like vomiting...I feel heavy and can't sleep...guess one has to get use to eating meat/
In order to understand what happens not only to the physical and the spiritual bodies when we eat meat, cadavers, which differ from the vegetable kingdon which contiues to reproduce even after the fruit is taken.
Aniaml have no and did not agree for us to eat them.
We don't even have the teeth to eat them like animals who do eat each other under the influence from us.
I respect those who do eat meat and I have found many people of respect who do eat meat and I have seen vegeterains who are sick and cruel. So what we eat does not make a difference in the presence here but does have repercussion on our other bodies.

[Sowelu]

Interesting perspective, MirRA, though I can't say I agree.

I suppose there are as many ways of understanding our relationship to matter as there are ideas in an infinite universe.

[LilliHart]

I want to address three different people here so bear with me, ok?

MIrRa wrote:
"Aniaml have no and did not agree for us to eat them.
We don't even have the teeth to eat them like animals who do eat each other under the influence from us."

On the contrary MirRa, animals have agreed for us to eat them ANd we DO INDEED have the teeth to eat them.

We are considered omnivores, that being we have the teeth to eat both plants and animals. Our incisers and cupsids have equipped us to 'tear' through the flesh of animals and our molars have equipped us with the ability to grind whatever whether it be root veggies or flesh, cooked or raw.

If you think about the concept of being microbiotic for instance, just as one example, then consider that this form of eating consists of eating that which is native to your area. Although many macrobiotic people eat only vegetarian, if you were an eskimo and ate that which your native environment provided you would be eating seal flipper and whale blubber.

Also remember those good old cave men...the hunter societies, long before the farmers ever had a corn stalk twinkling in their eye? The hunted, killed and created great rituals to the animals who sacrificed their lives for mankind.

During these odd energy times, we are called upon to eat many unusual things. I believe some of the reason is because our bodies genuinely need those foods, for ascension, grounding, centering and supplying certain vitamins and minerals and trace elements. Eating meat for instance is the only way to get some of the amino acids necessary for human survival.

I used to eat meat often and in the last year or two it has dwindled to where I only eat red meat about 3-4 times a year. I have no desire for it and when I do eat it I often get physically ill. I can now only eat it in small quantities. And I was a major meat eater!

The junk food question from Mike:
Well there really is no junk food. There is only our perception of certain kinds of food being junk. And there are so many different points of view out there as to what is good for us and what is not. It's a joke at this point.

For those of us who are able to do so, it is time to take control...not of what others do or think, but of how we are able to alter the vibration of whatever is on our plate and make it work for ourselves.

I have a friend, a very highly trained and gifted adept who smokes cigs, drinks coke with sugar and overall eats whatever he likes including organic veggies he grows. When I make comments like 'a glass of coke isn't good for me' he laughs at me. He asks me how can that be that a glass of coke in the greater scheme of things would be harmful to me?

It's up to me and you to alter the vibration and create our reality the way we want it to be. If the mana fell from heaven do you think it would be considered junk? Who knows if we would even recognize it. What does mana look like after all? Fairy dust? The pretty orange powder on the cheetos? Who knows. Would you recognize it and even like it? Who knows. But you can take whatever is in front of you, hold it in your hands and 'zap' it to make it vibrate to your frequency.

And then when you see some kid out there eating 'junk' food you can casually go up to him and teach him a bit of hocus pocus. Show him how to make that food vibrate for him. Sure you have to find the right words and make it magical, but it is magical. If you tell him it will make the food 'good' for him, he will probably scream YUK and run away.

And as far as the expanding aura is concerned and attempting to allow the expansion in the merkaba...well that is a good question. I don't have an answer but I will see my friend and we will discuss it. It's new information coming in.

I too have a deep sense that it is correct Sowelu. The aura is another of our 'bodies' and that being so has a certain definition to it. We would not eat dirt and expect it to nourish us, so why would be expect food of any kind to nourish a light body? That is distorted thinking and something we have bought along with the farm when we were given our illusions.

Somehow we convinced ourselves that to expand meant to get larger, to move outward, to shine brighter. What does the merkaba do? It is the blue print for the the other bodies. This is were the alterations take place in the fabric of our being. If we want to alter the way a house sits on the lot, we dont' move the roof and the walls around,we change the position of the foundation. So it is with the merkaba.

But the trick for all of us is to learn how to do this. I am confident it has something to do with the DNA and the over all blueprint. It also has something to do with the emotional clearing and the mental clearing of dilusions and belief systems, thinking patterns and believing patterns. in other words to even begin to have control over one's merkaba, a really, really clear field is necessary HERE NOT OUT THERE.

Thus, bringing down the energies to work HERE AND NOW in 3D on earth and learning the secrets of the earth's library. WE already know the secrets of the stars. And as someone said to me last night (my shaman friend) ...it is OUR job to connec to earth and learn her secrets so we can learn how to intergrate them and use them to evolve and share those secrets with our star family to help the Universe itself absorb this knowledge and synthesize it into a new wholeness.

OK, there you go! :-)

Lili

[ADMIN]

Liahnah,
I respect yours and everyones view, but we humans do not the fangs of animals which were made to tear thru flesh, coconuts, and hard fruits. yes, we have molars and our teeth can grind, but not for tearing through uncooked flesh and even bones as animals do. Animals are in agreement of or better yet fell into that agreement when we were taught to eat animals when the renagades arrived on earth.
The animal behavior are reflections of the human conscious as is the plants, mineral, and the weather, all is a reflection of us.
The animal kingdom came to serve us and protect us, we we taught to eat them. Man long before did not animals, long before the caveman when a advanced race roamed our planet, when man fell from grace was when he started eating his inferior family which has been in a evolutionary process.
It is so, that as soon as you are sick the first thing removed from your diet is red meat. hey, just try to eat raw meat...I don't think so, unless you are primary soul, then it's acceptable for the time being until he learns what and where he stands in the evolutionary plan.
Second every time we eat meat the cells of the dead cadaver in discomposition interweaves with our blood cells to the extreme that many people take on the appearance of their favorite animal to devour.
We can eat veggies without seasoning, but try eating a dead animal without seasonings, or better yet, chew the meat for the recommended time of 12-14 times. urgh!
Also every being that has risen to higher levels of purity does not eat meat of any kind, in fact they eat very little something I experienced when I savored a bit of the holiness stage in my life.
The plant and veggies did agree to feed us back then when man & the animal kingdom lived in harmony.
Where did you get the info that animals did agree for us to eat them? I have read people who are spirtually knowledgable who eat meat, but those who reach certain levels of purification of the lower vibration eliminate meat eventually completely from their diet. There has never been a person who has ascended known for eating meat, on the contrary, they know and feel for the animals who are about to embark into the physical form and instead support them.
i cannot accept that the animals who in spirit groups have agreed to help alliviated out hard time on this plane agreed to be killed in slaughter houses and you can hear their cries and see the looks in the eyses of mercy...they sound like children
Take a pig and train him, and you will see what I mean.
I have been a animal lover all my life and I feel I have done my dues with the animal kingdom and the recitifications laws can never be avoided.
Those that kill animals for a living will surely dye in a following life by the claws of the same animal he so truly enjoyed killing for joy or survival. Does not matter if he was conscious of his actions, the laws of the universe see have no preference.
I want to again repeat, I respect everyones view and am expressing my views as I transformed when I lived a glimpse of holiness which I am not even the shadow of that now.

Finally, being a child who came into this plane with a natural insint of respect for animals in all sectors, I hope to soon reach the level where the lion can walk by my side and not attack me because his natural instincts tells him I am out to kill him for my next meal.

It is said that when man understands Natural and all his kingdoms, he will understand God or the Source, whatever name we give that energy. ;D
Finally, people who eat a lot of meat have a pecular smell that exples from their skin and they tend to become enraged easier then those who do not eat meat. The only note I have noticed in vegeterians that do not vibrate at a higher level tend to get sick easier.
Also, since I have only one kidney, I can't have protiens...a friendly reminder form above that I should be oon alert.
I find the vitamins I need in eggplants, fish, which I do eat, and beans...

[Sowelu]

I thought I'd pop in with this because I just read it recently, and it's in direct response to MirRA's question about "where did you read...?"

This is from a Kryon Q&A, found here:

kryon.com/inspiritmag/archives/Q-A%20archives/2002-Q%26A/Q%26A-11-1.html#7

Animals are here on earth for three (3) reasons.

(1) The balance of biological life. . . the circle of energy that is needed for you to exist in what you call "nature."

(2) To be harvested. Yes, it's true. Many exist for your sustenance, and this is appropriate. It is a harmony between Human and animal, and always has. Remember the buffalo that willingly came into the indigenous tribes to be sacrificed when called? These are stories that you should examine again. The inappropriateness of today's culture is how these precious creatures are treated. Did you know that if there was an honoring ceremony at their death, they would nourish you better? Did you know that there is ceremony that could benefit all of humanity in this way. Perhaps it's time you saw it.

(3) To be loved and to love. For many cultures, animals serve as surrogate children, loved and taken care of. It gives Humans a chance to show compassion when they need it, and to have unconditional love when they need it. This is extremely important to many, and provides balance and centering for many.

Do animals know all this? At a basic level, they do. Not in the way you "know," but in a cellular awareness they understand that they are here in service to planet earth. If you honor them in all three instances, then balance will be the result. Your feelings about their treatment is important. Temper your reactions with the spiritual logic of their appropriateness and their service to humanity. Honor them in all three cases.

And this, found here:

kryon.com/inspiritmag/archives/Q-A%20archives/2004-Q%26A/Q%26A-1rstquarter04.html#14

As we’ve discussed before, there isn’t enough fertile land on the planet to feed humanity if you’re all vegetarian. In addition, we’ve told you that a balance is needed for most Human biological systems that includes meat. Therefore, one of the reasons for the existence of animals is for your sustenance, and they come here for that. Animals are in service to humanity, and they do it in several ways. (This has been channelled many times . . . the reasons for animals on the planet.)

We’ve also told you that in order for them to be healthy sustenance, they must be treated with a higher consciousness than they are now or they’ll die. This is what you’re seeing. This disease is one that’s here to draw attention to this issue, not to force you to eat vegetables. It’s to bring the plight of the animals into mainstream consciousness, and to eventually demand changes in the way they’re treated.

Many of you don’t wish to think about these precious creatures being sacrificed for your sustenance, but remember, this is all part of the support for your life on the planet. What you owe them is honor and dignity within the scope of creating food for your lives. When you see these kinds of diseases, they exist to make you stop and look at what you’re doing. If you don’t, these animals will self-destruct on their own.

[ADMIN]

I forgot to add the final note: MAster Jesus said that there was no greater damage then that what we ate but what we spoke for what we spoke proceeded from the heart and that was what truly damaged man... So I guess what we eat has no greater impact then that which we speak...and of course that would be another thread. LOL!

[ADMIN]

Once again, I am not trying to convinced anyone. All these excuses are made to justify the eating of animals as so does the drug addict, the gamblers, the sexual predator... When man reaches certain level of purification of his inferior bodies he elimates everything that contaminates his bodies.
I recall hearing Jelail also state that meat is good for grounding. there are many other vias for grounding.
Hopefully in the future there will be no animals around to feed on as they are leaving this plane.
The source is clearly giving us clues that we should not eat them with the plan creating deseases that are transmitted thru the animals. they have been trying very hard to tell us not to eat them, just read that there is a cycle of animals deseases transmitted to us. The pork gets infected and is recommended that we not eat them, many cattle have been sacrificed because they are sick, the cows and now the chickens. They release the message, it is up to us to get it.
No one is saying to drop eating meat, but a very advanced being once shared with me that we could go about it in stages,
The most damaging meat for the perispirit in order is as follows according to this enlighten being I met:
Goat
Pig
Cow
Chicken
Fish
Fish being the less damaging for our perispirit and was what Master Jesus taught the peoples to eat instead of cattle.
Sowelu,
as I said before, being knowledgable does not mean one is spiritually advanced, (referring to Kryon messge) Can one truly vibrate at a higher level when one has the vibrations of a animal who is vibrating lower then we are? Who has not yet enter the kingdom of individualality? Maybe I am wrong, or maybe someone is manipulating us into believing that is is correct and keeping us from advancing? Aren't the veils being removed, Isn't what we were taught going out the window...
Hey, no harm intended, I just in my soul cannot accept that eating my brothers and souls which also want to enter our kingdom and go for ascension as we are, are in agreement with me to eat them. Currently with the craving I have, I eat chicken and even that makes me nausseas. In Argentina both Al and I ate meat and we felt so dense and bloated, we felt like we were carrying a cemetary of dead animal instestines...
Happy times are in store for us...Have fun and not pun intended.
Good appetite to those who eat meat! And respect for those who respect life.
Those who resonate with it eating meat go for it.
But, those who do not resonate with it, I think their is no info that will convince us that it is theway. And since eveyone has chosen a path we must respect that choice.
I was born being a non-eater and will hopefully have not needed meat to survive in a very healthy body which I consider a gift given to me for me to fulfill my mission.
The kidney failure was bought on by myself fo making very ignorant actions in my life and that is the result. Otherwise I have been until old age of mine a very, very healthy person. i have never been sick but nose drizzles once in a blue moon and I attribute to the pollen. Hahahahaha!

[Sowelu]

Hey MirRA!!

I posted the Kryon excerpts because you had asked where Liliahnah had ever read such information like the idea that animals are indeed here to serve us. Since I'd just read it recently, I had quick access to the material and posted it. (I actually have no idea if that's where Liliahnah has read it, though. She may have received that info within herself, from her own well. )

And I honestly don't know about your question to me. I have no desire to be in conflict with you, and yet my understanding differs in many ways on this subject. I respect that you have come to know what you do and have stated here, and my desire is not to change your mind. I am choosing to post here because my view holds room for more options than yours has, and I find it important to express that.

What I understand is as follows:

ALL IS ONE

Therefore there is no need to raise one form of anything above or below another, it is all equally holy and sacred. And at any point before becoming truly cognizant of the literal reality that All really IS ONE, whatever one deems appropriate for oneself is perfectly accepted, appreciated and supported by life itself.

There is only love, in myriad form. And all love, in any form, nourishes and promotes more love. Eat what you like, it's all one... love.

This high frequency level of awareness...that understands precisely that All is literally One and lives and breathes this knowing at all times... when this consciousness level is living in a form in a material world, it can and does do whatever it wants, with absolutely no issue. Because it KNOWS truth without prejudice of any kind.

Hierarchies of life and understanding are merely working models to learn and acheive sacred respect for all life. Once this unconditional and universal respect is brought into awareness, however, it becomes disrespectful to that awareness and all others to continue to live by a hierarchy of any kind.

Diversity within Unity is a sacred model of Life/All That Is, as well. We see it all around us. Life does not possess merely one flower, or one tree, or one type of grass, even. There are scads and scores of different types and colors and shapes. They require different types of nourishment and thrive in different environments. None are better than another, all are equally precious and divine. Diversity lives and thrives in Unity. It is a basic, natural blueprint of The One.

In the same sense, some genetic models of human being have certain types of requirements to maintain a stable, grounded health that other genetic models do not have. Nourishing themselves by what their form needs does not disqualify any human from a sacred, Divine or holy existence. Or from any spiritual attainment if desire and intent are pure.

All unnecessary accoutrements of physical life will fall away if they are truly unnecessary, provided one's aim is true. Focus on the physical details is not the point. The point is a focus on one's heartspace, one's "knowing", one's experiences where so much knowledge is gained, and the proper application of that knowledge, which is perhaps the hardest part. If what we learned taught us to be biased or prejudice against a portion of the All... we perhaps should consider that we're not done with that lesson yet.

SPIRIT DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE. Spirit, Life, Source... has no issue with ALL of it, ALL the time, ALLways. In any permutation, combination, distortion or clarity. It is our own consciousness that has issue with it. And hopefully that changes as we grow and expand our consciousness, provided we make room for the changes in perspective/understanding.

This is my view as it stands at this point. I have grown and changed many times over just in the last year, so my understanding as stated here may indeed change. I will say that there is a steady thread of consistency in "what I know" in this life, and it is this: unconditional means just that.

I appreciate that your experience has brought you to a different understanding.

Love you! (((Hugs!)))
Sowelu

[hoolyb4u3]

Jesus said it doesn't matter what we eat because it comes out the other end. But it does matter what comes out of our mouth because that comes from the heart.

About the eating of meat. The meat eaters are the ones with type O blood. They are the hunters and gatherers. Their blood remembers their earlier
relatives. Type A people are the vegetarians.
Type B people can eat meat and dairy and thrive on that diet.

So it depends on your blood type if you are a meat eater or not.

But I also say it is a person,s choice what they eat and no one should try to convince them into their way of thinking.

To try to spiritulize our eating habits doesn't do a thing .
So if I don't eat meat I will be more spiritual??
It is the physical body that is eating not our high self, our spirit.

I for one eat a chunk of beef every day and I love it.
I am not beginning to look like a cow either.

We can eat anything we want and it will not hurt us.
Listen to your inner voice, not what people write about. This is a personal thing for every evolving human.

[ADMIN]

Sowelu,
In no way have I felt that you are in conflict with me, that is not the way i think or feel. You are part of me as I am part of you and everyone else. We are all and if I sounded like there was a conflict, please accept my apoligies. I am very open and love very interesting threads like this one. I think this is one heck of a thread where people can read different views and make up their own minds.
I also was not trying to bash what K. has said but I am a person who investigates and tries things to arrive at my own conclusions.
I appreciate your input which has made this thread one of the best on the board and which teaches others to go within and do research. We are not here to read but to learn and apply and I think that this is the roles that we are doing on this board.
i feel at this moment very excited with this thread as it has opened me up to sharing my experirences with the members here. i love it and I am also always willing to learn from others experience.
After the last post I did I went on a research and found this page that expalins why we do not have the conditions to be meat eaters.
I hope for those interested in doing research to come to their own conclutions, read:
www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
Thanks again to all who joined in this thread and may it open others to come in and share their views as well. Great Thread! ;D

[ADMIN]

That's what I said. What we eat or don't eat doesn't make us holy.
I am just sharing my views. I am not trying to convince, I am trying to share what I have learned thru my years in spirituality.
I think we are taking the subject out of context and may never come to a agreement as that is mans natural ways. I heard something on the radio today that really resonated with me.
People always complain on how many lies the news is feeding the public, but the people would never accept the truth even if you told them. They would still complain that it's all a lie because man has not yet learn to see the truth.
Maybe I haven't yet in this sector learned to see the truth or experienced what others have, and that is something many us still have to learn. How to differ.
I have eaten meat, but my body does not resonate with that vibration.
I do however respect those who do as I smoke and I am entilted to a choice and that I stated clearly. Everyone has the right to a choice and needs to be respected and I honor that. ::SMILE::

[Sowelu]