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Post by Sowelu on Dec 7, 2004 13:36:38 GMT -5
((((Hugs)))) Monikah!
We have different understandings at the moment, as I see it, but that doesn't change how much I love and appreciate you. Thank you for the willingness to move through this discussion with me.
Blessings!
Sowelu
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Post by Sowelu on Dec 7, 2004 15:00:24 GMT -5
Hey Nicole! (((Hugs)))
When I'm in pain, I'm in the "limited self", which is where illusion lives as if it is real, in my experience. So... in a sense we're talking of the same thing as you.
What produces pain is any life force energy that is distorted in it's natural, inherent or true flow. And distortion is "non-truth" or illusion. It's a deviation from truth. In the same way that fantasy is a mental deviation from the reality of the human conscious moment.
It is unreal, yet experienced. And for some... experienced to the point of seeming quite real, or realer than real. But ultimately it will end, and one will find themselves back in the reality of the human conscious moment. So too, we will ultimately find an end to this excursion, and find ourselves back in the reality of our truth, our fully conscious moment.
Another aspect to all of this we've been discussing that I've wanted to somehow word, is the connection between the feminine, feeling, emoting, energy... and "reality".
If we live only in the mind's idea of what is, we are living more in illusion than not. When we encounter experience and FEEL in that experiential moment, we have "made the moment real".
But what happens here, is that most things felt early on are not dealt with in a healthy way, and our "real" experience becomes instantly remembered in an unreal way, holding that energy from the initial event to us, in distortion.
Once this happens we're REALLY living in illusion! We've put our emotional energies into a distorted place of repressed reality, and our mind is warped by those distorted energies, and so everything we do and think thereafter has some level of untruth to it.
And yet it HURTS! It's clearly true that so-and-so did this or that to me! And it was painful! How the hell can you tell me that was an illusion?
The illusion exists in the fact that you are carrying energies - false perceptions of what was, influencing what is - that warp your experiences. All the players in your life who "prove" those distortions true, are mirrored reflections of yourself. If you didn't carry those distorted energies, you would not have had the experience of being hurt by that being. Ignoring the fact that you carry what brings that experience to you does not negate it's influence on every moment it still exists in denial!
Some might say, "It certainly doesn't seem like it! Especially if one of my mirrored reflections kills me and I leave this "illusion", as you call it. Right?"
Except no! You didn't DIE! You simply left the illusion! You still exist, you can still recall and even revisit the event, only now perhaps you can see it more clearly because you have a better vantage point. If not, you will likely re-enter the illusory realm to have more experiences, continuing to explore illusion vs. truth.
I don't know if you've ever had this experience, but it's occurred many times for me lately. I'll be in pain and remember only days previously where I was not in pain. (when I use the word "pain", I mean anything other than a peaceful stillness in self). I have these two versions of myself in my awareness. What's the difference?
THE WAY I FEEL.
Not what I think, not what I do... but how I FEEL. This is a key understanding. How we feel influences everything about our perception of reality.
So when we release the distorted energies lying in our emotional bodies, we become more real. Literally. Closer to truth, our own truth, and the truth that is all that is.
Every bit of resentment, jealousy, anger, feeling of victimization, sense of hurt, etc. is keeping us from truth, what's real. Each of these emotional energies is a distortion of reality, kept in stasis, as if IT is real. We didn't understand the truth of the circumstances (including what we were getting into in being born under this veil - the veil itself being a set of feminine energies in repression) that brought about our repressed energies, but we believe them to be "the way it is".
As long as we cling to these false energies appearing real, we cannot see reality for what it is. We cannot experience truth fully, we cannot perceive truth fully, we cannot access it. These distortions that we choose to believe in, are in our way. When we finally realize that we CHOOSE to maintain a false view of reality and that's all that's holding us back from truth... we begin to shed the distortions.
It's a long haul, yes. There are many mechanisms in place to keep us from doing it, yes. We easily and often delude ourselves into believing we finished the job when we haven't yet. Yes. But as long as we're facing painful moments, we know we haven't finished. As long as we aren't in full awareness of all that is, we haven't finished. If we keep that counsel, we're more likely to keep at it, and not take on any false authorities. We know when we're not ok in a moment.
That's all we need to know, in order to realize there's work to be donw. It's no one else's fault that we feel the way we feel. If we believe that, we're in for a much longer haul than if we understand that everything - absolutely everything - that we personally experience, is "ours" to experience. We chose it in some way, and we have everything inside - if we but examined it all - to help us uncover the why, and the way out of its control over us.
And the key to all of this, which has been said many, many times before, is ALLOWING. EXPRESSING feelings, being completely honest in those expressions, with the intent to pay attention to what we're spewing so as to learn from it. This is really all it is. But there IS a lot to release. And it DOES have to be voluntary. It IS each of our's responsibility, and no one else's. If you look around at the world that decides who can love, what you can learn, where you can travel, who you can be friends with, who you must kill... it's easy to see why there's so little truth realized here.
Very few people in this heavily slanted world can think for themselves, choose to act of their own volition without needing or looking for approval or disapproval of others (including others in spiritual communities, yes, for the "right way to ascend" or whatever), or act independently simply by virtue of their intense investment in the UNreality of this place!
Whew! Some of that may be rambling, but maybe there's something in it to bridge the gap, Nicole. (((Hugs)))
Love you!
Sowelu
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Post by Nicole on Dec 7, 2004 15:16:24 GMT -5
Hey!!
There is something to bridge the gap, definitely. In time it will become more apparent but for now..
Exactly. And our mind is how we shape our reality here, no? We tell ourselves that ET landings are not possible, and when all of our friends and relatives see them land we do not, because it is not a part of our reality.
Now, you've hit on something, because obviously the part of moving forward into a new "reality" (there's that word again!) is integrating emotion into our mind/intellect. Integrating FEELING into the ILLUSION. It must be a balance, or a better balance than it is now, in order for us to move forward.
And yes, this is the TRUE illusion. The FALSE illusion is what we create via intellect - what we create when we tell ourselves that what we're experiencing is not happening, that ETs can't land, that we're not good enough.
The warped residue of experiences is what we need to focus on, feel and clear IMO.
Do you see how there are two subtle yet distinct facets of the concept of illusion? Perhaps true and false aren't good terms - please contribute others if you can think of them as I'm writing on the run here (taking break at work). But I think you get the picture I'm attempting to create.
So when you and Monikah began talking more about pain, I appreciated that you two were talking about another slant and that Monikah is truly in a lot of pain, as are you at times, and me also yet not at this time. And what I'm trying to really get at here is another level of being. I'm closer now Sowelu and I thank you for opening this up. It seemed clear a few minutes ago as I was writing, but now is clear as mud again. But that's the way it works I guess.
I'll go back to "work" now and mull this over, but as always, comments and thoughts are most welcome!!
HUGS and lots of REALITY for ya! hehehe
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Post by Monikah on Dec 7, 2004 16:36:07 GMT -5
Sowelu wrote: <<The illusion exists in the fact that you are carrying energies - false perceptions of what was, influencing what is ->> How about if the pain I'm feeling right now is not based on anything but what I'm feeling right now? Do you see this as illusion? <<Every bit of resentment, jealousy, anger, feeling of victimization, sense of hurt, etc. is keeping us from truth, what's real.>> My truth is that I feel resentment, jealousy, etc. but learn to master them. To deny they are real is to deny the full range of emotional expression and feels a bit soft in the "what's real" department. <<As long as we cling to these false energies appearing real, we cannot see reality for what it is.>> They are not false. I find this "f.e.a.r." acronymn to be misleading, though perhaps originally it was to assist us out of the forgetful situation. But fear and all it encompasses such as the emotions you indicate is very real. It is the polar opposite frequency of the frequency of love. <<But as long as we're facing painful moments, we know we haven't finished. As long as we aren't in full awareness of all that is, we haven't finished. >> That's a point in my previous post ... painful moments don't end. We'll "never" finish dealing with pain because it is a part of the full emotional experience. Your idealism is admirable, Sowelu. Someday, if the ideal becomes the actual in All That Is, perhaps pain won't be a part of our emotional experiences. All That Is includes pain or it wouldn't live up to the its description -- ALL that is. I don't mean to invalidate your Truth by any means, but in some ways it still feels to me like you're stuck in the idea that All That Is is painless. It's not. The ideal you describe is eons away, and not realizing this will cause frustration. Another point from my previous post ... Metaphon has THE greatest awareness of All That Is. He doesn't have this awareness because he doesn't feel pain. He does, very deeply. Can someone tell me why holographic experiences are "less real" than non-holographic ones? Indeed, thanks for the discussion. Onward. |
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Post by Sowelu on Dec 7, 2004 17:31:58 GMT -5
If one is clear enough to actually be in a situation of that nature, no I would not say it is an illusion. It will flow through, however, leaving you back in a state of no pain. If the pain remains past it's initial, fleeting experience, it is being held onto out of some attachment, and is then an illusion acting as reality.
I'm curious what exactly "mastering them" entails, in your view.
I do not advocate denying anything. If you have watched me on this board (and oh if you could see my journal!), all feelings and emotions are completely validated, felt, and expressed with complete honesty. The expression is most important. Getting them outside the self, into the realm of manifestation. If we choose to manifest them as they come up in us, in "their voice", in honest expression (written is my venue, others use music, verbalize, etc.) they will not manifest in other ways. Their revelation is what's needed. Light cannot be shed properly if they are not let out of hiding, in full.
This is how they inform me of their purpose in my energy field, produce an "aha" of understanding, and - in their new status of "fulfilled" - leave my field as the recent negative they were. Once energy is revealed in its truth, it no longer acts against life.
All life seeks fulfillment. And that's all we're talking about here. It has been kept in check, in repression, in distortion, and it needs acknowledgement, revelation and release, freeing it and its holder to finally move on.
Fear is not the opposite of love, it is a distortion of love itself. It IS love, in distortion. Love is the maker of all, which includes fear. To love fully is to embrace fear as love, not experience fear as an opposing force to love. The difference is not semantics, it is the very acknowledging, revealing, expressing and releasing I just described. If we do not do this, we will continue to experience fear, instead of understand it as the love it truly is.
As always, this is my understanding based on my experience, and expressed in love. Take or toss as you see fit.
With much love and gratitude,
Sowelu
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Post by Monikah on Dec 8, 2004 8:09:20 GMT -5
"Mastering them" basically is what you describe. Feel them, learn from them, and move through. Don't live in them.
Fear IS the polar opposite of love, dearheart. This is an upstairs scientific fact, not my opinion.
Blessings,
Monikah
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Post by Sowelu on Dec 8, 2004 8:18:57 GMT -5
*heehee*
The path is through the heart, yes? This is the CENTER of our being, not the TOP.
Upstairs is a reflection of downstairs, not the pillar of truth. It is the "light" frequencies balancing the "dark" frequencies of consciousness in the game. Which if you pay close attention, indicates that it is the polar opposite holding the game in play. It is the light of consciousness which is "in competition with" the ignorance in consciousness that lives here under the veil. It assists in creating the tension in self that urges seeking. It enables, through that tension of opposites, the sense that more is to be learned. Eventually, however, the poles of higher/lower merge... in the heart.
In truth there is neither light or dark, up or down, right or wrong, love or fear. There is only What Is, borne of love, existing in myriad form. All labels of prejudice stem from the "up" or "down" view of these things.
Go to the center of Creation, the core, the heart... and you will find a very different message about fear and love. And the way to finally bridge the gap between upstairs and downstairs, among a great many other things.
Much love, (((Hugs!)))
Sowelu
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Post by Monikah on Dec 8, 2004 8:27:40 GMT -5
Philosophy and science are not the same either upstairs or down, merged yes, but not the same. Fear is the frequency opposite of love, as my Heart and Metaphon and my Family and the Council of 13 have told me. I do not spread news like this based on my opinion or truth or feelings. My responsibilities are greater than this.
M.
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Post by Sowelu on Dec 8, 2004 8:34:17 GMT -5
And I honor your view, Mon. (((Hugs)))
What we're doing this time around has never been done before here. The wisdom of old can only take us to the places and status of old. It has been important for that ancient wisdom to be recalled and understood to the depths of our being... and for a new realization of truth to be revealed this time.
But again, as always, take or toss as you see fit, naturally.
With much love and deep gratitude for you, (((Hugs)))
Sowelu
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Post by Monikah on Dec 8, 2004 8:53:46 GMT -5
Indeed this has not been done before here or anywhere. The realization that fear is the frequency opposite of love is new news to the planet, not old. I understand what you are saying about going to the Heart, the place where nothing changes, it just IS, all is One. I don't deny this.  As creators in duality, humans must understand duality. Ancient information is incomplete. Humans have been blamed for fear, or fear has been called an illusion, or any number of other incomplete understandings of this frequency keep one in old dogma. One of my purposes has been to shoot through fears with the purity of primal source love energy, which I was privileged to access after the removal of machinery. So though I would like to live in the sublime reality you discuss, my purpose has been to bring forth more information about duality, how it originated, what the primary polarity is (love and fear), how all other polarities exist within these (i.e., love has masc. and fem. polarities, pos. and neg., etc., and so does fear) so people have a greater understanding of what fear really is and how to step out of living in it by accessing the truth to get out of mind control. Fear has existed since the First Split from complete Unity. Again, this is not an opinion. Those who surround the throne of God so to speak  would not allow me to mislead the people in this regard. Blessings, Monikah |
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Post by Sowelu on Dec 8, 2004 8:57:31 GMT -5
I understand and thank you for expressing your truth, Mon. (((Hugs!)))
Much love,
Sowelu
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Post by Monikah on Dec 8, 2004 9:01:46 GMT -5
Same to you, Sowelu. It's good for me to get this out, as I know it is for you. Truthfully, I know our personal truths do merge. Our experiences are similar in many ways.
May I ask ... do you know who your personal guides are?
Hugs,
Monikah
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Post by Sowelu on Dec 8, 2004 9:19:32 GMT -5
I don't have identified guides in the sense many do. I'm not from here, those who are known here as ascended masters et. al are not who I work with. I'm like an "independent contractor", in a way - *heehee*, and a "transition specialist".
Love you! (((Hugs)))
Sowelu
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Post by Monikah on Dec 8, 2004 9:26:55 GMT -5
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Post by Sowelu on Dec 8, 2004 9:47:00 GMT -5
Having just read the link, I didn't get a strong sense of resonance or recognition of Self there. There could be many reasons for that, however, so it doesn't necessarily lend to concluding anything - about it, or me. 
I am most willing to share more about myself, however there is no clear stream of info to share from a general inquiry such as that. Specific questions can often trigger a stream of information, so that may be a way to go. In either venue, btw, your choice.
Love you!
Sowelu
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would not allow me to mislead the people in this regard.