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[Monikah]

It takes a looong time for this to come to fruition. Many opportunities are given to an entity. It's not as simple as being unproductive in one life, or ignoring the high self for a few millennium. Lots of people manifest these types of things as part of their growth process, and then they judge themselves upon the end of the embodiment as to how well they accomplished what they set out to do.

Ultimately, the entity judges itself. When faced with "final" judgment, do they acknowledge a higher power? There are judges and juries (tribunals) throughout upstairs governance. If you don't "obey the Law," eventually you run out of chances. As above so below.

Love,
Mon

[seaoffeeling]

[glow=red,2,300]Thanks for the explanation Monikah. It's interesting how this topic is coming after the suicide thread. There seems to be a relation.

Love,
-SeaofFeeling[/glow]

[Sowelu]

At the root of this there seems to be a sense that one can be "wrong", and I must say... I don't feel that as true. We might perceive that from here, or even once we leave, but even if we "lose" ourselves to the Void, this deep forgetfulness is not the truth of us.

The phrase that keeps repeating when I read this thread is "All life is eternal, trust." Another felt sense is that in truth, we never left source, and whatever we come to in our explorations is not something that can "damn" us, no matter how deluded we may become.

It occurs to me that once again we may be talking of different levels of beingness, Mon.

What I sense is that there is no need to judge based on faith in a higher power or not. The exploration of creation is about discovery of truth, revelation, creating. If truth is known by a being when facing the "review", one is light-filled, aware, and knows. If not, one is free to continue to explore or not.

As for obeying "the law", there is much that reveals that human consciousness does not even understand the law, nor guidance, unless at the highest levels, either. Source and creator level does not promote fear or fear-based concepts, in my sense. There is no such thing as "wrong-doing" at that level. If one fears their return to source and it is confirmed, they are still in the illusion, exploring possibilities, not quite at the level of truth yet.

In my opinion. I realize we're not "there" in our consciousness yet, but these are very strong senses for me, so I shared. Of course each of us must search within ourselves for our own truth.

With love (((Hugs)))
Sowelu

[Monikah]

I agree what you wrote, Sowelu. It is different levels of beingness.

Met reminded me last night about the fear factor. Acknowledging love may be a better way to indicate what I was getting at, instead of acknowledging a higher self or power. The ones who were created in fear who have no hope of attaining life in love, who can't even inkle themselves to 3 strands of dna, are those we're discussing. Also those of this ilk in the etheric. Those who cannot contribute to new reality in love. Not being discussed are those who still live in fear but the spark of love lives in them so ascension is a possibility, but those for whom there is no hope. There are also clones who have no soul therefore no hope of ascending. These are not really considered "living" in the cosmic sense of the word, though in a human standpoint they breathe, etc.

The form and focus of the consciousness of these is "destroyed," and the energy sent back for recycling.

The focus of what's happening here can be found at sfdl.atspace.com/humangelic-society.html.

It's an overview of creation. The 12 Main Creations discussed are the forerunners, so to speak, of the 7 superuniverses of Urantia info. As the 12 galactic tones stepped down to 7 and the chakras from 12 to 7 and the colors of the rainbow, so too the 12 MCs stepped down to 7 superuniverses. These 12 MCs are what we consider All That Is. We also consider that we are at the end of the 3rd All That Is for the experiment to create heaven on earth. Some of the energy types we're talking about have been hanging around since the beginning, the fear blobs of denied energy that have taken life as an entity. We've been coralling them for a long time.

We try to step down the info as best as possible to my human understanding, and then I try to put it into the written word. There is no need for one to fear being cut off if there is any hope for the spark of love to enflame. There are mistakes but ultimately they are not wrong.

The suicide terrorists of 9-11 were of the nature being discussed. (Suicide again.) It's the same micro or macro. You are ascending, you have fear parts of you that you process and then release the cellular and consciousness attachments to. So too the cosmos has fear parts that are being processed and released of cellular and consciousness attachments. It just so happens that some of these parts are entities.

The simplest highest law is Do No Harm.

Love,
Mon

[Sowelu]

What constitutes harm?

This is my point. Most do not truly grasp the question, let alone the answer.

And so... harm apparently continues, yet no real harm's been done.

Love you! (((Hugs)))
Sowelu

[Monikah]

Only in that the harm that's been done can be repaired has no "real" harm been done. Ultimately, if and only if all goes well and all works out in the end has "no harm real been done," but it's idealistic and idyllic imho without the memories of what's happened in immorality to think that no harm's been done.

A difference of viewpoint.

Blessings,
Monikah

[Monikah]

For example, recently opened records indicate that as of last count 8 billion creations have gone extinct in this Great Central Sun alone due to the pillaging of chi suckers, and not due to the natural end of their time. Eventually this will all be balanced again, but in the meantime the deficit causes turmoil, and in the eons it's been since and will be till they are fixed, those involved will feel harm has been done. Some entities/energies may not revive.

The ideal can be quite different than the actual in my view.

Hugs,
Monikah

[Sowelu]

I appreciate what you're saying, Mon.

It seems there's a theme in certain threads lately regarding mistakes and fatal errors, and the possibility of never healing/recovering from them. Perhaps this is a piece of what's being processed now at a mass consciousness level. It does sort of fit with the whole Atlantis debris, perhaps. Interesting.

Thanks! (((Hugs)))
Sowelu

[seaoffeeling]

[glow=red,2,300]I have a question: Let's say an animal has been badly injured, in an accident or a fire. And the vet puts the animal down. Has harm occurred in the killing of the animal?

-SeaofFeeling[/glow]

[Monikah]

So this goes back to funerals. Some of those involved in destroying creations have no remorse or no intention of stopping or no idea how to stop or no spark of love to give hope for reform. They are not being allowed to continue to destroy creations without consequence. They are causing too much harm, and thus will be eliminated from individual consciousness. Individuation is a privilege one must carry with responsibiliy, not a right just because one has manifest as an individual.

As above so below.

Sea, no, that is compassion.

Peace,
Monikah

[Sowelu]

Let's say a child is born with a major malformation of his body, and cannot speak or use arms to communicate, yet his mind is completely and perfectly healthy. He lives in an era where computers don't exist and, in their innocent ignorance, is considered by humanity as an "abomination" and left to rot in an insane asylum. He lives for 98 years in a silent hell, never knowing god or spirit, only his hellish human existence.

Was harm done? If so, by whom?

Over those many years, he came to hate humanity, and though he physically couldn't, he wished he could kill most of the people he ever encountered. He spent a lot of time focused on mental scenarios of killing off each being, making them suffer as much as possible, while he watched, gaining pleasure from their pain.

Was harm done?

OR... he took all those years of hellish living and chose to focus on loving others, and spent a lot of mental time on scenarios of himself as healthy and whole, loving others in various functional ways. When he encountered others, all he could "speak with" were his eyes, so he made sure they shined with love. Yes, he loved others in spite of his situation... though he hated himself. He did his best to make up for his inherent failings as a human being by being the best loving being he could be. In fact, all his efforts at being loving and focused on loving scenarios was to blot out his self-hate and feelings of unworthiness that must have been true because he was born an abomination.

Was harm done?

[Monikah]

I would say it depends on previous history and his purpose in that life, and the purposes of others involved. Some people are nasty to serve the Light.

[Sowelu]

Sorry, Mon. We all have our soap boxes, I suppose. My point is that all has purpose, and all purpose is borne in love and serves the One in light.

We don't see it from most vantage points, agreed. We must heal from each event where harm seems to have occurred, before we realize there was no true harm. Not everyone will do this... in this cycle. We have eternity. There's no rush. Unless we have an agenda in this life, I suppose. But anyway you look at it, once you know the truth underlying any situation, it's quite clear that no harm is ever done, for real. It's all done here in illusion, for the purpose of experience, exploration, learning, growth.

But I understand what you've been saying, too. I just came through a huge purge of anger at spirit for the way things go everywhere but AT source, and how much it sucks for the experiencers. How it doesn't matter one bit what's "true at the highest levels", because that's not where our consciousness is focused right now. What matters is what's real at THIS level!

Or, in the circumstances you've brought up, what matters is what's real at the level of the experience. End of story. Until it's understood, meaning one has risen above the level of experience, it hurts and it seems wrong and it feels awful and it seems deliberate and nasty and uncalled-for and all sorts of evil and insidiously harmful things.

Bless you! (((Hugs)))
Sowelu

[Monikah]

I have been harmed at a very high level and right here in 3d, and both Metaphon and I agree that we don't know if I will ever recover. Someday I will rise above it and the Truth will be that I moved on to a new way of being, rebuilt what had been harmed into something else. This will not mean I had not been harmed, it means I've recovered from the harm. It's very Real at all levels.

<<it's quite clear that no harm is ever done, for real>>

Not that it's this way for you, but I feel this reasoning is an untested turn of words.

With love,
Monikah

[Sowelu]

I understand.

It's a hard-earned awareness, yes. And the path to it is about as painful as any one of the events themselves, actually. Because full recapitulation of a trauma involves feeling the feelings again, and remaining open enough to gain the heart wisdom of the event's truth. Not shutting down to it to return to protection mode.

It means letting go of a lot of protective armor, daring to be vulnerable in an emotional state that once almost seemed to devastate, facing the secret desire to remain righteously angry, resentful, stubborn in the denial of any compassion for those who seemingly caused harm and pushing through it to understanding why... and the reason we most often refuse to move into the true understanding behind another's action usually involves facing self-loathing and the fear of a monster living within the self. The whole protective armor was meant to shield the experiencer from that, allowing the experiencer to believe they are better than one who would cause such harm.

I feel this reasoning is an untested turn of words.

Indeed, as long as it is untested, the recognition of no harm will remain out of reach.

With love,
Sowelu