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Post by Nicole on Feb 7, 2006 17:56:27 GMT -5
Ok Lili, I know most everyone's Jelaila story here except yours. She's good at getting in people's craw, so what got her in yours!?! LOL
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Post by LilliHart on Feb 7, 2006 18:44:32 GMT -5
"Ok Lili, I know most everyone's Jelaila story here except yours. She's good at getting in people's craw, so what got her in yours!?! LOL"
You know, it's very humorous in a funny-odd kind of way, but I too know everyone's Jelaila story here and I have never been in a course with her, taken a group training with her or anything. I have only met face-to-face one person who was closely involved with her and she is not on this list...never was. But I feel distinctly connected to the Jelaila group/ies and wouldn't be at EC if I hadn't found it as a result of my association to all the J group and to J herself.
I wouldn't know where to begin to start kevetching about her. I find her distinctly distasteful, lacking in integrity someone who doesn't walk her talk...and overall, a fraud...but that said, I don't really think it is appropriate for me to list the nitty gritty of my stories and the interactions I have had with her. These are my deeply personal impressions.
Much as a good J bashing would probably distract me from my aches and pains right about now, that's not what I am going to do. I prefer to keep my comments to myself.
What I will say is this. When someone charismatic like J comes along with something new and immensely interesting to offer, it is often the case that many, many people are drawn to her and some get caught in the web. This is because so many of us are looking for guidance outside ourselves.
I wanted to learn about what she had to say, but was not willing to become submissive in her presence, allow her to be my god or overlord or supplicate myself to her teachings. I WAS willing to share what I knew with her and exchange notes, but this was not to be.
Many...dare I say most of the people I have 'met' virtually who were drawn to her allowed themselves to be blinded by what they thought was her light and her truth. Turned out not to be so and many got burned. But all chose to experience that lesson for some reason. So if one who participated in her doings got burned either financially or otherwise, and if they proceeded to work through it and come out the other side more evolved for it...then perhaps she accomplished her goal to help activate people. But from my understanding that was not what she was selling so there was no integrity in her method.
Following the teachings of guides, gurus, teachers and the like is a sticky wicket and one that has to be done with care and wisdom. So the moral is once burned twice shy. Or for the student one might take this stance... first time you screw me, shame on YOU. But if you screw me again, shame on ME.
I find much of what J had to say fascinating and transfixing. I only wish SHE was as much so as what she was saying. If she only had the convictions, integrity and depth of truth that we all had hoped for she would have been one hell of a great resource. As it is, she is a sad excuse for a galactic example. One can only keep wishing....Sigh...
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Post by Nicole on Feb 7, 2006 19:01:13 GMT -5
Yeah, you have her pretty pegged. I can say that knowing her well for a long time, she does have a level of integrity but then it gets sidetracked by ego and false logic. The Keys helped me immensely and I am better for every minute I spent with the NC/GCN. Glad I didn't get stuck there, though. It could have happened very easily.
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Post by LilliHart on Feb 7, 2006 21:08:35 GMT -5
Well Nicole I am truly glad you had a good experience with her. I like some of her info on the site and I liked the book, but I am eternally grateful that I was able to see what I did early in the game and never got sucked in to her thing. I know you learned a lot from working with her from other times we have 'talked' and it's good to know not everything is sour. but then NO ONE is all bad or for that matter, all good...except of course me! :-0
Lil
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Post by Sowelu on Feb 9, 2006 3:18:39 GMT -5
((((Hey Lili!)))) Perhaps it's a matter of my function here, but I'm keenly tuned in to the sub levels of the mass consciousness, so to speak, as well as the level of awareness that lives in the Body of Light known as "lightworkers" (en masse). It is as a result of this awareness that my first post came out. In this latest insurge of cosmic/solar/lunar/celestial energies, a deeper previously hidden layer of distortion than most folks had encountered before, mainstream or lightworker, was pushed upward to be acknowledged. Until it is, the mind is in the lead for a great many, which is the equivalent of living in an illusion, and manifesting from that status may well be more painful now than it used to be. The COO is still a pretty elusive thing, if existent at all, for most. And hey... speaking of "we're supposed to be the ones to show the way"... I also feel that when the work of letting go of these pesky, sticky illusions is truly accomplished in a person, they will naturally open to the awareness you speak of and act in what's called "right action in the moment" from a point of "right relationship to life" (your COO), because it's truth... and there's no longer any inner opposition to it. The illusions were the opposition, so once they're gone, there's no barrier to a new way of working energy. And lightworkers will likely be the first to do this, some sooner than others, thereby fulfilling their "missions" as wayshowers, et al. But then again, they call me a dreamer...  Love you! (((Hugs))) Sowelu |
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Post by LilliHart on Feb 9, 2006 12:56:14 GMT -5
Hi Sowelu! "Perhaps it's a matter of my function here, but I'm keenly tuned in to the sub levels of the mass consciousness, so to speak, as well as the level of awareness that lives in the Body of Light known as "lightworkers" (en masse). It is as a result of this awareness that my first post came out" So very interesting. And although you and I are not very far away conceptually, on another level we are at opposite poles. I say this because my function here is almost diametrically opposed...not to yours of course, but to the polar opposite. Mine is also to be keenly aware of the masses as well, but to bring in the information which is not of the masses and to highlight a way that is rare for the masses UNTIL their consciousness JUMP has been made. One of my roles is to bring in what seems to be impossible and show that it isn't.  "Until it is, the mind is in the lead for a great many, which is the equivalent of living in an illusion, and manifesting from that status may well be more painful now than it used to be. " Yes I totally agree adn manifesting fro mthis status is much more difficult and challenging because the energies stimulate at such a deep and fast rate and the greater requirement of the planet and the times are asking for shifts to occur within us at a much faster velocity than in the past. Where before it may have taken years to do emotional clearing and deeper 'self' work, now it is taking months, weeks and even days to accomplish the same work. Time is collapsing as we know it and at the moment of ascension it will be necessary to make a leap on multiple levels to grasp the next step. There will be NO time in which to accomplish this as all things are simultaneous. Even now. Unfortunately for us humans, our minds and mental capacity is not always able to catch up to what is out there. Thus numerous senior moment-type experiences even for juniors. "The COO is still a pretty elusive thing, if existent at all, for most." Totally elusive for the majority! But it is existent for those ready. The information on the COO was brought in and is very new in it's presentation but not in it's underlying concept. It's presentation has been structured to help those that are ready to make that leap to do so rapidly. Even the languaging is special and only the people who are really ready will 'get it'. This is not my languaging. Much of it is being given through me. I hesitate to call it channellling as I don't like the term and it implies something outside of self is speaking. Not the case here. All that comes in comes from the 'bigger, grander ME'. "But then again, they call me a dreamer... " Yes, and although I have been called a dreamer and unrealistic, I have also been referred to as a visionary and a realist! Go figure! One of my roles is to 'reflect' and I do this daily. And another is to present whatever it is to those who will hear. I do this too and for the ones who hear, let them use whatever it is to their advantage. And for those who can't hear yet or may never hear, there will be another drummer with another beat. Love you right back! Liliahnah |
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Post by Edward on Feb 9, 2006 14:41:36 GMT -5
Hi Sowelu! "Perhaps it's a matter of my function here, but I'm keenly tuned in to the sub levels of the mass consciousness, so to speak, as well as the level of awareness that lives in the Body of Light known as "lightworkers" (en masse). It is as a result of this awareness that my first post came out" So very interesting. And although you and I are not very far away conceptually, on another level we are at opposite poles. I say this because my function here is almost diametrically opposed...not to yours of course, but to the polar opposite. Mine is also to be keenly aware of the masses as well, but to bring in the information which is not of the masses and to highlight a way that is rare for the masses UNTIL their consciousness JUMP has been made. One of my roles is to bring in what seems to be impossible and show that it isn't. Liliahnah Hencen the nature of diversity with-in us all. Each of us brings to the table many things. Some similar, some different and some almost exactly the same but with perhaps a different view or twist on it. There are many descriptions I can further list but I think everyone will get the gist of it. Diversity is what helps each of us learn and grow to the FULLEST and most POSSIBLE extent we can. Or shall I say gives us that OPPORTUNITY to do so. So, as we all play roles for each others, mirrors, teachers, student ect...we all affect one another and it is such an elaborate dance we do. I am starting to see the excitement in it all of this newly realized prospect from a higher viewpoint. Although while down here so to speak(incarnated) it can be often a rough ride to say the least,  Peace, Love and Enlightenment, Ed |
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Post by Sowelu on Feb 9, 2006 16:10:11 GMT -5
Boy did that click! It may well be the key to why we match passion and grok the same issues, but often see them from different angles. Very cool, Lil!! ((((Hugs))))) Reminds me of a couple lines of a poem I wrote many, many years ago: So I'll start at my end, and you start at yours
And well meet in the middle, and stop all the wars. There's a lot more to it that I can't even remember right this moment, but those two popped in front and center! And I remember the last line, as well: Because love doesn't end. (((((Teary, lovey Hugs to you, Lili. I think you're just awesome!))))) Sowelu |
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Post by LilliHart on Feb 9, 2006 23:15:07 GMT -5
Sniff, sniff, sniff...
GROK! NO ONE BUT ME EVER SAYS THAT ANY MORE. Well on that note I know we are not so far apart. I think it's time to start another yak about something else we can play fight at and give the spectators something to throw rotten tomatoes at. What say ye, Ms. Growly?
Lovey hugs to you to my friend.
Lili
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