Post by LilliHart on Feb 1, 2006 21:28:14 GMT -5
OK Sowelu,
Since you let the bull out of the closet or perhaps the BULL out of the closet and divulged our little secret for passionate debate…here you go! I have had enough sugar for a life time and am starting to come down from two days of letting them eat cake, and eating it with them, and am snortin’ and kickin’ and rarin’ to go on. You will be in quotes and I will not!
“Indeed! And what I did my best to express is that the way back to the Circle of One is not to manipulate or force our desire from that unconscious place (evidenced by our pain and difficulty in the moment) to create something else, but to LISTEN and ALLOW, finally, that unconscious energy to have it's time in the light.”
Who said FORCE? I am not even implying that we FORCE our desire from anywhere to anywhere. I am talking more about preventative measures and recouperative measures. {is that a word?}
”The point was that THIS is how we re-enter the heart space, or the Circle of One, as you called it.”
I’d like to clarify a bit here. The CIRCLE OF ONE is the pivotal point, the point of neutrality. I prefer NOT to refer to it as the heart space because too many perceive this terminology with skewed bias. The COO {Circle of One from now on}, is more of a point, a minute point of balance and neutrality…a place of complete BEING and no polarity, no judgment, no perceptions…It just is.
It comes from my epiphany during the initiation where I realized that even with “only” one person, human or otherwise, there is a complete circle, a connection that is as complete as a great circle of many. And to maintain the purity of this space, the centeredness is the final dance. It sounds simple until you attempt to do it. It’s a state of being, not a place. Very difficult for me to describe and I am still attempting to do so as time goes on.
“ Not by changing that NOW moment, but by truly and fully ENTERING it - and being honest about its influence on us in the moment. And that will often require acknowledging the angst of doing so (that's the bitching and moaning).”
I am not talking about CHANGING THE MOMENT. We are having semantic issues here. I fully agree that when we are up against something that we perceive as disharmonious, we need to BE there and be in it so we can process and move through it in it’s entirety.
What I have expressed, and obviously not so clearly, is that once we have been through it, we don’t’ need to stay there…once the bitching and moaning are complete, the angst processed and filed and the ah has have been jiggled out of us painfully or with pleasures, that we no longer need to be in the ‘state’.
I am also suggesting [and this will create a whole new passion in you J], is that we learn to discover these ah has and have our process be expedited in new ways…not by denying them, and making a new choice to use these new energies in a manner that allows us to short cut and shift, thereby preventing the angst all together.
It’s the difference between learning from our own experiences or observing an experience from an altered dimension, going through it on another level and then coming clean with the process and moving on. I will give you a real life example of my own.
It happened after the Oklahoma bombing back a ways…remember?
I had always been afraid of ‘something happening’ to my kids…in other words something happening that was a violent and terrifying experience that would take their lives and leave me stripped of all that meant something to me in this life. It was an obsession and all the processing and therapy did nothing to relieve this fear in me.
At some level I knew it was an experience I would have to go through in this life to be able to ascend. I would have to go through ‘loosing my children’ and it terrified me more than anything else including my own death.
One day I turned on the TV and there was that horrific day of the Oklahoma bombing and the worst part was seeing all the dead children and their grief stricken parents. I went right into this in my mind. I became those parents.
Being an empathy it was not at all difficult for me to do this. It was not my choice to do at the time. I got stuck in the emotionality of the moment…for several days and couldn’t get out. I was a compete mess and was feeling all the feelings of a parent who had lost her children. I felt it with all those parents.
Finally I called the person with whom I was doing clearing and went and spent a good long time working through the stuff that was coming up for me and it was a compilation of lifetimes. At one point I realized/remembered that this was a lesson I had chosen to go through in this lifetime…to experience this kind of terrible grief. It took me a long time to process this experience and the information but in the end what happened to me was that I was released from the Karma of having to ACTUALLY go through this in the physical 3-D world of the present or now…in the ‘real’ world of the flesh with MY OWN LIVING CHILDREN.
The karmic agreement then was that I had to experience the feelings and learn to let go. I did this. And my children are still alive and well.
My point is that now after many, many years I have learned to be able to do this kind of work consciously and by choice. To recognize when I have something to learn and to choose the experience that will give me the learning and then after staying in the process and going through it al the way, I then have the choice where to go next…do I want to stay in the doo doo or do I want to move on out of it? This is the time when I can choose another thought.
In it’s most pure form this is the manipulation of energy. It is NOT the avoidance or manipulation of feelings. It is a method of accelerating karma and other lessons one would choose to learn and then to return to the center, to the point of neutrality.
I believe, and I know that others may not agree, that we are not meant to be here to suffer and go through all kinds of shit to ascend. I believe/think that we are meant to be here to experience whatever it is our souls choose and to learn and go through the experiences as fully and as richly as possible…AND TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE CENTER. Not an easy task at all. I thank god I am the MIRROR because it has helped me to understand and enabled me to attain this state of multiple ‘bilocating’ and multi-level experience and at the same time to learn to stay in the center of the COO. Endless reflection to infinity. Discovering this was a wonderful validation for me.
”In other words... now that the truth of our angst against the moment is truly acknowledged (expressed as it is felt, not expressed in different terms such as what we prefer to feel or experience), we actually become truth in that moment. This brings us back to the heart if we allow it to. “
Yes agreed but it is NOT THE COO. And it is only OUR truth that we become, not THE truth, whatever that is. And being in the heart is a critical factor of being able to enter the center of neutrality. Being in the RADICAL NOW is not always the truth but it is always the NOW. There are often distortions in the now and these come from individual perceptions. And the NOW always appears as the NOW but it is not the neutral center which is not the NOW because NOW is a point in time and the COO is timeless, spaceless, matterless, energyless…it is the edge of the void where there is nothing but pure IS-NESS OR BEING.
”If we decide to manipulate that moment, our point of power is our mind, not our heart. And until our mind is integrated with our total being (which would be experienced as being in the heart in that moment), we are CREATING from our mind still steeped in limitation (the unconscious cause for our pain which is now being used to create something else more desirable). And this is old news here. It's what's been done over and over. “
This is correct if we are in the old energy and the old constructs. But from the point of the NEW ENERGY AND THE NEW CONSTRUCT we are creating a completely new NOW and new perceptions to go along with this. And if we are in our neutral center, then the power is from the center not the mind. If we are able to enter the point of neutrality and maintain it [you CAN try this at home but it ain’t easy until you get familiar with it and then it is very easy]. And please, remember there is nothing wrong with the mind. What the problem is, is the thoughts that run through the mind that are reactions to the feelings that have been stimulated by the previous thoughts from the mind that were reactions to previous feelings, etc.
”The pull to do so is the mind wanting to experience CREATOR STATUS, because it knows at least that it IS, somehow, Creator.”
Well more specifically, it is not the mind but the EGO that desires to experience the creator status. The mind is merely the vehicle that allows the ego to create.
“But it still lacks understanding of how that is so.”
Well dahling, isn’t that what we are here to learn? How to do so? How to understand how to create and to control out creations in the greater scheme so that they are what we want and still keep us in integrity and impeccable and in the neutral center and heart energy? This is the purpose of this exercise. Again, there is nothing wrong with the mind or the ego. It just needs to come out of diapers and be potty trained.
“And it wants that status in that moment understandably, because the body in 3D is feeling pain. But that is precisely because the human mind/body complex is NOT aware of that Creator level yet! It is not yet "en rapport" with its Creator wisdom and awareness. It is experiencing its separation from that Creator level, and it smarts!”
Uh hemmmm, speak for yourself please. AND please remember something else. WE are lightworkers…WE ARE LIGHTBEARERS. We carry the living library and the Akashic records where all things are remembered and recorded merely to be REMEMBERED BY THE MIND.
WE ARE AWARE OF THE CREATOR STATUS. The sleeping princes and princesses out there may not be but it is OUR job, we volunteered for it, to bring this information in and teach them, help them all to come out of the blind cave and see the light.
The pain is not necessarily us experiencing separation but experiencing resistance.. It’s a tough job and calls for special skills to be AWARE CREATORS. We have not come to this lightly. None who are participating in this experiment or reading this transcript or joining in this transcript are chopped liver. WE are the ones bringing this in and it is our job to REMEMBER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. No excuses now honey… J
”But the mind cannot experience CREATOR STATUS in truth (which is the goal and what's different than the way it's been here for so long) until it IS Creator!”
But we all even the sleeping beauties KNOW we are creators and even those who don’t’ remember know and they play pretend. That’s how they use the potty to train themselves to remember. They play pretend and then they KNOW when they remember.
WHICH brings me full circle to my little exercise which caused all this passion to start with. Ain’t the Universe great? LOL
My little exercise asks the sleeping prince and princess to play pretend. “How would you feel if you felt ______________?” “What if you could feel ____, how would it make you feel?”
This is a lesson in ‘pretend’ and when you pretend you fool the mind, the faculties that are out there to resist you. You fool the ego and the sub and unconscious mind into joining the game and playing along. And then when the game starts and you the ultra conscious being of the moment have ‘pretended’ to feel a certain way, voila all of a sudden you are there! You then realize you can create and are creator and you can throw away your elastic waist training pants and pee with the big guys. J [All this potty talk must be my son’s influence…I’ll just blame it on him.]
”And that is not accomplished by "taking over" in that moment, but by entering the heart in that moment. That's where CREATOR lives.”
Now I beg to differ with you here. CREATOR doesn’t live in the heart, CREATOR doesn’t live…It just IS. But love lives in the heart and when we are loving and being loved we are living in the heart too and it’s a whole lot easier to grasp these concepts from that place.
So the mind becomes a TRUE Creator not by "doing as Creator does" from its limited state, but by BEING Creator and knowing the wisdom of why it created this moment to begin with.
We are always connected, Divine and whole in truth. I have no issue with that. We are always Creator, as well. In fact, that is the point! We always have been! If we want something new from this new energy, it behooves us not to take the same tack we've used in countless ways over countless eons, by attempting to change the moment before we truly ENTER the moment... but to continue the work we've done thus far, with this new level of energy.
Choosing to create while still being influenced unconsciously - choosing to take that moment and decide how it should or could be and intend that, without understanding why it is the way it is first - is denying the truth of that moment and creating from an illusion.
And that is what mankind has done all along.
This new energy does not make that different, imo. It simply ups the ante and the stakes. And to decide now - with the influx of our Divinity getting stronger so that we have more impact on immediate manifestation - that we are going to use our power to create more intentionally, while still being "pained" from an unconscious place about the truth of a moment... is foolhardy, at best.
Now... it sounds like I'm arguing with you, Lil, and you gotta know I'm not. LOL! What I'm doing is expressing the very real awareness that I have about that moment, and why I cannot seem to shift from it to what you're saying. Both could well be accurate and correct and wonderful, I honestly don't know. I DO know that while we talk about it, this is what comes for me.
”Again... if we realize that we are ALWAYS Creator, then we already CREATED this moment in which we're feeling pain! So... what is its value? It seems to me that THIS is what the human consciousness is working to "do" and how it will end its illusory separation from its Divinity: discover the wisdom and value behind the experiences in which the human feels pain and rejection.”
With some of the new realizations I have had and the new information that has come in I have grown to realize that this too is something of an anomaly. The human consciousness has been deceived into thinking it needs to experience pain to define itself and understand it’s position in relation to it’s Divinity. If the human could only shift away from this precept we would realize we never needed to be there to start with and that the real lesson is to learn how to make conscious, responsible choices that allow us complete access to our Divinity.
”Our sovereignty comes not from recreating the moment to something more likeable to the human aspect, but from the human aspect finally discovering the truth that it is one with the Creator that already created this moment with purpose! THIS, imo, is Zero Point energy, as some term it. This is how we get to Zero Point. Talk about enlightenment! Talk about engaging with life at the most powerful levels! To discover the truth of why the NOW that we find so distasteful was created by us to begin with! “
And when we play pretend and remove ourselves from the discomfort and learn the lesson of being able to make radical conscious choices we are then able to discover the answer to your question…why did we create this to begin with?
Just my two cents.
Hugs of goey goblins!
Since you let the bull out of the closet or perhaps the BULL out of the closet and divulged our little secret for passionate debate…here you go! I have had enough sugar for a life time and am starting to come down from two days of letting them eat cake, and eating it with them, and am snortin’ and kickin’ and rarin’ to go on. You will be in quotes and I will not!
“Indeed! And what I did my best to express is that the way back to the Circle of One is not to manipulate or force our desire from that unconscious place (evidenced by our pain and difficulty in the moment) to create something else, but to LISTEN and ALLOW, finally, that unconscious energy to have it's time in the light.”
Who said FORCE? I am not even implying that we FORCE our desire from anywhere to anywhere. I am talking more about preventative measures and recouperative measures. {is that a word?}
”The point was that THIS is how we re-enter the heart space, or the Circle of One, as you called it.”
I’d like to clarify a bit here. The CIRCLE OF ONE is the pivotal point, the point of neutrality. I prefer NOT to refer to it as the heart space because too many perceive this terminology with skewed bias. The COO {Circle of One from now on}, is more of a point, a minute point of balance and neutrality…a place of complete BEING and no polarity, no judgment, no perceptions…It just is.
It comes from my epiphany during the initiation where I realized that even with “only” one person, human or otherwise, there is a complete circle, a connection that is as complete as a great circle of many. And to maintain the purity of this space, the centeredness is the final dance. It sounds simple until you attempt to do it. It’s a state of being, not a place. Very difficult for me to describe and I am still attempting to do so as time goes on.
“ Not by changing that NOW moment, but by truly and fully ENTERING it - and being honest about its influence on us in the moment. And that will often require acknowledging the angst of doing so (that's the bitching and moaning).”
I am not talking about CHANGING THE MOMENT. We are having semantic issues here. I fully agree that when we are up against something that we perceive as disharmonious, we need to BE there and be in it so we can process and move through it in it’s entirety.
What I have expressed, and obviously not so clearly, is that once we have been through it, we don’t’ need to stay there…once the bitching and moaning are complete, the angst processed and filed and the ah has have been jiggled out of us painfully or with pleasures, that we no longer need to be in the ‘state’.
I am also suggesting [and this will create a whole new passion in you J], is that we learn to discover these ah has and have our process be expedited in new ways…not by denying them, and making a new choice to use these new energies in a manner that allows us to short cut and shift, thereby preventing the angst all together.
It’s the difference between learning from our own experiences or observing an experience from an altered dimension, going through it on another level and then coming clean with the process and moving on. I will give you a real life example of my own.
It happened after the Oklahoma bombing back a ways…remember?
I had always been afraid of ‘something happening’ to my kids…in other words something happening that was a violent and terrifying experience that would take their lives and leave me stripped of all that meant something to me in this life. It was an obsession and all the processing and therapy did nothing to relieve this fear in me.
At some level I knew it was an experience I would have to go through in this life to be able to ascend. I would have to go through ‘loosing my children’ and it terrified me more than anything else including my own death.
One day I turned on the TV and there was that horrific day of the Oklahoma bombing and the worst part was seeing all the dead children and their grief stricken parents. I went right into this in my mind. I became those parents.
Being an empathy it was not at all difficult for me to do this. It was not my choice to do at the time. I got stuck in the emotionality of the moment…for several days and couldn’t get out. I was a compete mess and was feeling all the feelings of a parent who had lost her children. I felt it with all those parents.
Finally I called the person with whom I was doing clearing and went and spent a good long time working through the stuff that was coming up for me and it was a compilation of lifetimes. At one point I realized/remembered that this was a lesson I had chosen to go through in this lifetime…to experience this kind of terrible grief. It took me a long time to process this experience and the information but in the end what happened to me was that I was released from the Karma of having to ACTUALLY go through this in the physical 3-D world of the present or now…in the ‘real’ world of the flesh with MY OWN LIVING CHILDREN.
The karmic agreement then was that I had to experience the feelings and learn to let go. I did this. And my children are still alive and well.
My point is that now after many, many years I have learned to be able to do this kind of work consciously and by choice. To recognize when I have something to learn and to choose the experience that will give me the learning and then after staying in the process and going through it al the way, I then have the choice where to go next…do I want to stay in the doo doo or do I want to move on out of it? This is the time when I can choose another thought.
In it’s most pure form this is the manipulation of energy. It is NOT the avoidance or manipulation of feelings. It is a method of accelerating karma and other lessons one would choose to learn and then to return to the center, to the point of neutrality.
I believe, and I know that others may not agree, that we are not meant to be here to suffer and go through all kinds of shit to ascend. I believe/think that we are meant to be here to experience whatever it is our souls choose and to learn and go through the experiences as fully and as richly as possible…AND TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE CENTER. Not an easy task at all. I thank god I am the MIRROR because it has helped me to understand and enabled me to attain this state of multiple ‘bilocating’ and multi-level experience and at the same time to learn to stay in the center of the COO. Endless reflection to infinity. Discovering this was a wonderful validation for me.
”In other words... now that the truth of our angst against the moment is truly acknowledged (expressed as it is felt, not expressed in different terms such as what we prefer to feel or experience), we actually become truth in that moment. This brings us back to the heart if we allow it to. “
Yes agreed but it is NOT THE COO. And it is only OUR truth that we become, not THE truth, whatever that is. And being in the heart is a critical factor of being able to enter the center of neutrality. Being in the RADICAL NOW is not always the truth but it is always the NOW. There are often distortions in the now and these come from individual perceptions. And the NOW always appears as the NOW but it is not the neutral center which is not the NOW because NOW is a point in time and the COO is timeless, spaceless, matterless, energyless…it is the edge of the void where there is nothing but pure IS-NESS OR BEING.
”If we decide to manipulate that moment, our point of power is our mind, not our heart. And until our mind is integrated with our total being (which would be experienced as being in the heart in that moment), we are CREATING from our mind still steeped in limitation (the unconscious cause for our pain which is now being used to create something else more desirable). And this is old news here. It's what's been done over and over. “
This is correct if we are in the old energy and the old constructs. But from the point of the NEW ENERGY AND THE NEW CONSTRUCT we are creating a completely new NOW and new perceptions to go along with this. And if we are in our neutral center, then the power is from the center not the mind. If we are able to enter the point of neutrality and maintain it [you CAN try this at home but it ain’t easy until you get familiar with it and then it is very easy]. And please, remember there is nothing wrong with the mind. What the problem is, is the thoughts that run through the mind that are reactions to the feelings that have been stimulated by the previous thoughts from the mind that were reactions to previous feelings, etc.
”The pull to do so is the mind wanting to experience CREATOR STATUS, because it knows at least that it IS, somehow, Creator.”
Well more specifically, it is not the mind but the EGO that desires to experience the creator status. The mind is merely the vehicle that allows the ego to create.
“But it still lacks understanding of how that is so.”
Well dahling, isn’t that what we are here to learn? How to do so? How to understand how to create and to control out creations in the greater scheme so that they are what we want and still keep us in integrity and impeccable and in the neutral center and heart energy? This is the purpose of this exercise. Again, there is nothing wrong with the mind or the ego. It just needs to come out of diapers and be potty trained.
“And it wants that status in that moment understandably, because the body in 3D is feeling pain. But that is precisely because the human mind/body complex is NOT aware of that Creator level yet! It is not yet "en rapport" with its Creator wisdom and awareness. It is experiencing its separation from that Creator level, and it smarts!”
Uh hemmmm, speak for yourself please. AND please remember something else. WE are lightworkers…WE ARE LIGHTBEARERS. We carry the living library and the Akashic records where all things are remembered and recorded merely to be REMEMBERED BY THE MIND.
WE ARE AWARE OF THE CREATOR STATUS. The sleeping princes and princesses out there may not be but it is OUR job, we volunteered for it, to bring this information in and teach them, help them all to come out of the blind cave and see the light.
The pain is not necessarily us experiencing separation but experiencing resistance.. It’s a tough job and calls for special skills to be AWARE CREATORS. We have not come to this lightly. None who are participating in this experiment or reading this transcript or joining in this transcript are chopped liver. WE are the ones bringing this in and it is our job to REMEMBER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. No excuses now honey… J
”But the mind cannot experience CREATOR STATUS in truth (which is the goal and what's different than the way it's been here for so long) until it IS Creator!”
But we all even the sleeping beauties KNOW we are creators and even those who don’t’ remember know and they play pretend. That’s how they use the potty to train themselves to remember. They play pretend and then they KNOW when they remember.
WHICH brings me full circle to my little exercise which caused all this passion to start with. Ain’t the Universe great? LOL
My little exercise asks the sleeping prince and princess to play pretend. “How would you feel if you felt ______________?” “What if you could feel ____, how would it make you feel?”
This is a lesson in ‘pretend’ and when you pretend you fool the mind, the faculties that are out there to resist you. You fool the ego and the sub and unconscious mind into joining the game and playing along. And then when the game starts and you the ultra conscious being of the moment have ‘pretended’ to feel a certain way, voila all of a sudden you are there! You then realize you can create and are creator and you can throw away your elastic waist training pants and pee with the big guys. J [All this potty talk must be my son’s influence…I’ll just blame it on him.]
”And that is not accomplished by "taking over" in that moment, but by entering the heart in that moment. That's where CREATOR lives.”
Now I beg to differ with you here. CREATOR doesn’t live in the heart, CREATOR doesn’t live…It just IS. But love lives in the heart and when we are loving and being loved we are living in the heart too and it’s a whole lot easier to grasp these concepts from that place.
So the mind becomes a TRUE Creator not by "doing as Creator does" from its limited state, but by BEING Creator and knowing the wisdom of why it created this moment to begin with.
We are always connected, Divine and whole in truth. I have no issue with that. We are always Creator, as well. In fact, that is the point! We always have been! If we want something new from this new energy, it behooves us not to take the same tack we've used in countless ways over countless eons, by attempting to change the moment before we truly ENTER the moment... but to continue the work we've done thus far, with this new level of energy.
Choosing to create while still being influenced unconsciously - choosing to take that moment and decide how it should or could be and intend that, without understanding why it is the way it is first - is denying the truth of that moment and creating from an illusion.
And that is what mankind has done all along.
This new energy does not make that different, imo. It simply ups the ante and the stakes. And to decide now - with the influx of our Divinity getting stronger so that we have more impact on immediate manifestation - that we are going to use our power to create more intentionally, while still being "pained" from an unconscious place about the truth of a moment... is foolhardy, at best.
Now... it sounds like I'm arguing with you, Lil, and you gotta know I'm not. LOL! What I'm doing is expressing the very real awareness that I have about that moment, and why I cannot seem to shift from it to what you're saying. Both could well be accurate and correct and wonderful, I honestly don't know. I DO know that while we talk about it, this is what comes for me.
”Again... if we realize that we are ALWAYS Creator, then we already CREATED this moment in which we're feeling pain! So... what is its value? It seems to me that THIS is what the human consciousness is working to "do" and how it will end its illusory separation from its Divinity: discover the wisdom and value behind the experiences in which the human feels pain and rejection.”
With some of the new realizations I have had and the new information that has come in I have grown to realize that this too is something of an anomaly. The human consciousness has been deceived into thinking it needs to experience pain to define itself and understand it’s position in relation to it’s Divinity. If the human could only shift away from this precept we would realize we never needed to be there to start with and that the real lesson is to learn how to make conscious, responsible choices that allow us complete access to our Divinity.
”Our sovereignty comes not from recreating the moment to something more likeable to the human aspect, but from the human aspect finally discovering the truth that it is one with the Creator that already created this moment with purpose! THIS, imo, is Zero Point energy, as some term it. This is how we get to Zero Point. Talk about enlightenment! Talk about engaging with life at the most powerful levels! To discover the truth of why the NOW that we find so distasteful was created by us to begin with! “
And when we play pretend and remove ourselves from the discomfort and learn the lesson of being able to make radical conscious choices we are then able to discover the answer to your question…why did we create this to begin with?
Just my two cents.
Hugs of goey goblins!
;-) (in Times New Roman in Word)
Honestly. I mentioned in another thread that things were "bursting forth" for me, and they sure are! My apologies for not getting back to this yet. 