Some Memories Here

[AgeA]

It seems like it was in other life. I have just joined NC forums in October 2002 and began reading J's book. Then I met Jansett on NC forums. She left soon after in November after apparently some 'misunderstanding' between her and J. I lost touch with Jansett unfortunately and I know her as very wise woman. It was like I had just met Jansett but I knew her for eternity.TEXT

I thought it would be intresting for many to read even today what she replied to my post then.

Topic: Reptilians (1 of 13), Read 64 times
Conf: Galactic Neighborhood
From: orancia [e-mail]
Date: Saturday, November 02, 2002 11:06 AM

Jelaila in her tape '9 Levels of DNA recoding' says that Reptilians and their agents are playing superbly the evil part to help all the souls here on Earth to evolve and to complete their lessons. Ok, I can understand that and may be even to find compassion in my heart toward Reptilians. However, what about the Reptilian spiritual development? Are they supposed to evolve as well and if they are then when, where and who is going to play the evil part for them? Also this, brings another question can you evolve just by playing the dark part in all of your lives?

Topic: Reptilians (2 of 13), Read 58 times
Conf: Galactic Neighborhood
From: Jansett B [e-mail]
Date: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:30 PM

This can be a very difficult topic to understand unless you can really “get” the realization that there are myriad races evolving in this universe with totally different sets of basic premises and coding, and that not all conscious beings think alike nor are they “supposed” to. Therefore, what “becoming spiritual” means to a human is not necessarily the blanket definition for all of cosmos.

The Reptilians actually have a very sophisticated and elaborate method of spiritual development—basically all of the Eastern esoteric teachings of Veda, Yoga, Tantra, and all branches of Buddhism are reptilian forms of the ascension process. A lot of new age meditation techniques are as well. So is the Roman Catholic Church. Their form of ascension is through the intellect or crown chakra, which is why a lot of the modalities mentioned above advocate celibacy—reptilian spirituality tends to avoid the lower chakras and places all the energy in the head from the pineal gland up. A lot of “spiritual” people (especially teachers) really bristle at that concept, but the fact remains that most major religions originated from the reptilians. Personally, I don’t see any problem with that, and have found great value in some (but not all) of their practices—especially hatha yoga.

The human form of ascension is through the heart, which is a different pathway entirely, and it has its own set of challenges. Like learning to set boundaries, learning discernment, learning to balance the emotional body, and developing compassion in the face of very painful and brutal outer circumstances, to mention just a few.

To complicate matters even further, we have to remember that there are very few (if any) beings with “pure” reptilian coding here on earth. Just about everyone is a hybrid of some sort, and almost everyone down here has some reptilian coding in their DNA. It’s just a product of millions of years of playing the Polarity Integration Game. So, that means that “they” are really “us” at any given moment—we could not even perceive the dark agenda if we didn’t have a reference point within ourselves with which to recognize it.

The next level of understanding is that anything of form is simply a vehicle of expression at the densest levels of being. Differentiations like “reptilian” or “human” or “feline” or “carian” are polarized terms—if it has a form, then it is part of polarity consciousness. And anything that has form is simply a vehicle for a *role* to be played out in denser dimensionality. Who You really are is *not* your human form and the real You is only playing a role through that form. The real You (there is only one) is also playing a role through all reptilian forms and all carians and felines and humans and nommos and insectillians and liquidians, etc., etc. Yes, for the purposes of the Polarity Integration Game, the roles are labeled “dark” or “light’ but the players are all the same God/Goddess, All That Is, Source, or whatever term you want to give it. So, in my view anyway, yes you can evolve by playing a dark role all your lives. It’s actually *more difficult* to play the dark role for someone and so it takes that much more love to commit to playing it.

This can all become quite “heady” stuff, which is why I personally always revert back to the idea that we are only here, ultimately, to work on ourselves—to clear our emotional bodies, to evolve as best we can, and to live authentically and with integrity as best we understand it. So, while I do certainly appreciate your questions about the reptilians and how “they” are going to evolve, I say with gentle loving-kindness that each of us has a limited amount of time to live and breathe on this planet, and so we can choose to spend those precious moments focusing on our own development with the intention of uplifting the entire evolution, or we can get distracted wondering what everyone else is up to. My belief is that we *must* become centered within our own beings and seek all our answers from our own connection to Source—and then trust those answers and live accordingly. As humans we love to share, and that is wonderful to do, but at the end of the day we need to *know* who we are and what we believe from within and not simply rely on what someone else has told us.

Lovingly,

Jansett Belovodia, Moderator
Galactic Neighborhood, Emotional Clearing Conferences

From: KA thi [e-mail]
Date: Saturday, November 02, 2002 02:32 PM

Applause, Applause, Jansett!!!

love ya. KA thi


From: LydiaDelRa [e-mail]
Date: Saturday, November 02, 2002 02:44 PM

Wow! That was great Jansett.
Luv,


LydiaDelRa

Topic: Thank you Jansett! (5 of 13), Read 53 times
Conf: Galactic Neighborhood
From: orancia [e-mail]
Date: Saturday, November 02, 2002 02:38 PM

Jansett thank you for your informative answer. There is some things however that I found very unsettling for myself. I know Jelaila also says that to play Dark role is much harder than the Good role. I trust my intuition on that one and it does not resonate right with me. I think both roles good and bad are probably equally hard. Also, I can't see how someone can Ascend purely from development of his/her intellect and the crown chakra. God is Love as I understand it. It does not need us so to speak and the only reason, God sends us Love energy down through dimensions, that allows us to live, is because God loves us. I do not see how someone without Love can be One with God. Perhaps, I don't understand something here and you can prove me wrong.

Topic: Thank you Jansett! (6 of 13), Read 53 times
Conf: Galactic Neighborhood
From: Nicole Canter [e-mail]
Date: Saturday, November 02, 2002 02:53 PM

Orancia,

It's because Source expresses itself in many ways, in 3D primarily the dichotomies of good/evil, light/dark - you get the picture. All That Is is a part of Source (the All That Is), so how could ANY expression of Source be anything but one with it? Perhaps some expressions remember and others don't

Love!

Nicole
Moderator


From: Jansett B [e-mail]
Date: Saturday, November 02, 2002 03:21 PM

Dear Orancia~

Well, first of all, I have no intention of proving you *wrong* about anything! Let me just ask you a few questions and then you can go within to find the answers that resonate with you:

1. Is it possible that you cannot see how someone else can ascend through the crown chakra because you are looking at it from a limited viewpoint created by your own belief system? Do you honestly believe that every one of the bazillions of races and beings in the known cosmos, made up of gazillions of universes, all have to ascend the same way?

2. Assuming that ultimately there is only one Supreme God, then where else could the reptilians have come from? Why wouldn’t God love them as much as It loves humans? Again, the point is that “unable to love” is an *aspect* of a *role* that part of God agreed to play in the Polarity Integration Game for the benefit of the other half of the polarity. Anthony Hopkins is not an evil, cannibalistic man because he played Hannibal Lecter—do you see the correlation?

Applauding the depth of your seeking,

Jansett Belovodia, Moderator
Galactic Neighborhood, Emotional Clearing Conferences


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[AgeA]

From: orancia [e-mail]
Date: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:23 PM

Dear Jansett, in response to your first question: No, I don't believe that all the beings have to ascend in the same way in this Universe. I think I just don't understand the mechanics of the ascension through your crown chakra. Is this the same thing as what Marcians tried to do like creating artificial MerKaBa field?

Second, I do believe that God loves Reptilians as much as it loves humans and that brings another thing for me. Ok, I suppose that you can ascend as a being of high intelligence with a killer instinct. So you kill, robe, cheat your way into the 9th dimension, but our Sun that transports down the loving energy of God is a 10th dimensional being. So, how can you be a 10th dimensional being with a killer instinct and be a being of light that gives energy away not takes it away at the same time?

Other thing, it quite obvious to me that in this life I choose to be a 'good guy' before I came here. In other lives as far as I can see I was probably playing the good role as well and was getting killed on a regular basis. Apparently, I have voided that contract because I refused to be a victim and I moved to U.S. early on in this life. I know from personal experience what it looks like when everyone around you turns bad and the chaos follows. Even the people who are good swing to the bad side as it seems to be the easiest way to survive. In short, someone has to be a victim in order for others to simply move on the evolutionary ladder. I believe that even Reptilians had their own martyrs and people who had chosen serving to others instead to serving self.

In order to ascend through your intellect you need the understanding and to have understanding you have to be willing to gain understanding in the first place. Third dimensional world is very strong in corrupting people to just follow their bodily desires. You need a catalyst to move forward and that is where 'the bad' can play its role and help you providing you can survive the impact. I understand the value of good and bad. Also, I believe that certain people can ascend on the individual basis regardless of others. However, most people/entities don't and end up blowing themselves up if you read Jelaila's book you can see that. Maldukians were a 4th dimensional race and they blew themselves to pieces down to the 3d dimension. So you see even though on the individual basis you can ascend on the whole as a race you can not if you just follow the Dark path.

From: Liza* [e-mail]
Date: Sunday, November 03, 2002 01:04 AM

kudos, jansett, kudos! love what you said. you have quite the heart.

orancia, i'm said to have a strong reptilian look with some feline coding.. so moreover, i look elfish! lol.. pretty much, in my views, i embrace both of my light and dark sides and have been struggling to use the heart chakra lately. it is easier for me to ascend thru the crown chakra, but i will not do that in this lifetime.

i will assume you already ready jelaila's stuff, including We are the Nibiruans... have you read other books by Barbara Clowhand and B. Marcinzak? Gregg Braden, even? they might also give you some pretty good insights.

just a thought! :-)

liza

From: Shasta
Date: Sunday, November 03, 2002 06:51 AM


Hi Orancia,

I understand where you are coming from. Not so long ago I had a real problem allowing my dark side to express, ever. Now I am in the process of integration.

In this world of duality, we must seek balance and harmony in ALL things. All that exists has a "dark" and a "light" side. Suppressing one side or the other leads to imbalance. Extremes of either leads to disharmony.

Such as if we allow only our light side expression and dedicate ourselves to service to others, only, we do not establish boundaries and others may take our "goodness" as weakness. We become caretakers and take all problems of others as ours to "fix".

If we allow our "dark" side expression we will set boundaries and our "strength" will be be apparent as well as our "goodness". Service to self is necessary to be of any real service to others, as well as to become a Galactic Human.

It is difficult for our minds to accept that we even have a dark side let alone incorporate it into our lives when we have been programmed by rewarding "good" and punishing "bad". Nevertheless, we ALL have a dark side that needs to be acknowledged. What if all of us only displayed our light side....would we even be aware of our "goodness" without the dark side to compare to.

Jansett and Nicole said it a lot better than myself but I just wanted to throw out some thoughts that has helped me, in hopes that you may also find some help understanding.


Loving Oneness,
Shasta

From: Jansett B [e-mail]
Date: Sunday, November 03, 2002 07:39 AM
Attn: Shasta Barnes (Shasta)


Shasta, Beloved One~

I have learned SO much from your post here and all of your others, for which I sincerely thank you. I honor your gentle wisdom and depth of experience. I am compelled to "re-mind" you that you are a highly valued participant in these forums and you need never diminish what comes forth from your heart as you post your thoughts and feelings. NO ONE can say them better than you! My wish for you is that you stand in your awesome power and speak your truth in all its fullness without any caveats to take away from the brilliance that you share with us.

With deepest admiration,

Jansett Belovodia, Moderator
Galactic Neighborhood, Emotional Clearing Conferences

From: Jansett B [e-mail]
Date: Sunday, November 03, 2002 08:41 AM

Dear Orancia~

I can honestly appreciate your struggle to understand. I sense from your most recent post, though, that you are trying too hard to understand using only your mental faculties without filtering your intellectual questions through the knowingness of your heart. I will say a few things here that are *not* written in the spirit of debate. I am simply giving you some more threads to ponder as you continue on your spiritual search for resolution:

1. If God/Source (I use these terms interchangeably) is Everything, then where do you think the killer instinct, for example, comes from? There can only be one Source of all that is in existence. Even if Source gave us “co-creator” status to experience and expand more of God, the initial impulses for all forms of creation by all co-creators still originate in God. “Free will” to create will still always be contained within the parameters of Who/What Source is, even as It continues to expand.

2. No one ever *has to be* a victim. That’s what we’re here on earth to learn. You say you have refused to be a victim but you still sound like one when you say things like “Even the people who are good swing to the bad side as it seems to be the easiest way to survive.” My response to that is “Not always, and not necessarily.”

3. There are no purely “bad guys” or “good guys” down here, including you. We all contain elements of both or we wouldn’t even be on this planet. By learning to accept this fact and taking responsibility for all aspects of ourselves, we come closer to self-empowerment as creator gods and goddesses.

4. It’s not true that most people don’t end up blowing themselves up; most people do—and have—and that’s why we’re trying this Polarity Integration Game for the third time on a third earth. I repeat my earlier suggestion to discern between *who* beings really are and what *roles* they play at any given time. Beings don’t annihilate *themselves* when they blow up their planet—they only destroy the vehicle through which they’ve been evolving. Life is immortal and eternal AND it is neutral—EVERYONE is part of Life and at that level there are no bad guys or good guys.

5. A final thought: In the Polarity Integration Game, if the evolving beings do not integrate the Light and the Dark then they destroy their planet and have to start over. If they do integrate the Light and the Dark, then the game is over and they get to start a new game. Not much difference, really. In both instances, experiences are had and more information is garnered into the All-That-Is. Since All-That-Is is timeless, it doesn’t really matter how long it takes to finish the game, whether it’s millions of years or billions or longer. And for that reason, I’m not sure that God is really even interested in keeping score. So, the essence is NOW—what is each of us doing/thinking/feeling RIGHT NOW, which is all we’ve really got. We can spend that NOW on mental exercise or we can plumb the depths of who we truly are and manifest That, or we can do something else. It’s our choice, which is the fun part!

With love and respect,

Jansett Belovodia, Moderator
Galactic Neighborhood, Emotional Clearing Conferences


From: Nicole Canter [e-mail]
Date: Sunday, November 03, 2002 04:36 PM

Orancia,

Don't forget that there is value in our expressions of "dark," such as the killer instinct and being able to use the dark for survival. My friend Sowelu says it best with "Choose not to act against another, rather choose to act only for your own destiny." The intent behind what you do is what matters most.

You also said that someone has to be a victim in order for someone to move up the evollutionary ladder and that you've been killed several times being the good guy. It sounds like you may be speaking from a victim mentality. Victim is only a role, one which I'm sure most of us have played from time to time in order to learn. But it is a choice, and you can "learn" your lessons and break out of that role at any time. Use your dark power to empower yourself, setting good boundaries of course.

Well, my attention span is waning for some reason, so I'll go. But I hope I was clear, and didn't write something confusing!

Love!

Nicole
Moderator
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[AgeA]

Jansett suddenly left NC a week or two after that post. I immidiately contacted her as I didnt want to lose contact with her and I wanted to know why she left the forums. This is the reply that I got to my email. It is funny that I thought then of Jelaila as a 'Good' person. As it turns out she did so too. It is one of those things in this life you think you never could have done anything 'bad' if you think of yourself as good in this one. I definitely thought of Jelaila then as a Lightie so it was like getting cold shower on my head after reading that email from her. It seems like J successfully integrated her Dark Side now. She recently threatened to sue me because I used some of her 'Galactic Info" on my website. I confronted her and she didnt reply to me again... Never saw J follow through with her own words yet (how about the formula of compassion?) that she teaches to others.... So where is the Light Side? How about a Balance?

Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: Hi Jansett! It is Orancia

Orancia,

This is Jelaila. I get all of Jansett’s email now. In answer to your question, yes, I have a dark side just like you and everyone else on this planet. If that’s a problem for you then perhaps you are not ready to integrate your dark side and should leave the forums?

[Nicole]

Hey Orancia,

What exactly are you trying to accomplish here? I'm asking because there seems to be no reason for your post except to stir up stuff about Jelaila. So if I'm wrong, I'd like to be set straight so I won't make assumptions.

Anyway, the reason I'm replying to this is because I want to remind you there are two sides to every story and I happen to know the other side. Which one is true? Probably the truth lies somewhere in between and even possibly one version is more true than the other. At any rate, without knowing both sides how can you judge anyone as good or bad?

And about her threatening to sue you, did you use her material without giving her credit? I'm asking because I also have Jelaila's material on my website but have given her credit for what is hers.

Waiting for your reply,

Love,
Nicole

[AgeA]

Dear Nicole I am not trying to accomplish anything I just wanted to tell my truth. Jelaila contacted me this time I have already began to forget who she was. We never emailed each other since that thing happened last September. In answer to your question, Nicole I did said on those webpages that I am using material from Nibiruan Council material. It was my mistake. I don't intend to use her material ever and nor did I wanted to pretty much since I quit NC. Let me explain what happened. I moved my site www.orancia.com which I created in August 2003 when I was still part of NC to my new site andromedalliance.com in April this year. It was careless and irresponsible on my part because I simply moved those old files to my new site without much looking and thinking about it. I guess it was just easier this way. Nicole, I don't want to use her material. After J's email to me where she threatened to sue me I had replied to her. I said I will remove anything of her's from my site and again I confronted her hoping to clear whatever there is between us. I really want to. Jelaila never replied to me. So this is how she follows her own teachings and her words?

Yours, Orancia

[synastasia]

Hi Orancia,
Just want to say, i do share your belief that we cannot ascend without LOVe. Reading Jennnifer's Lee reports also have stated that.

I don't know about expressing our darkness (we always have a choice since we are on the only planet that allows free will!) to ascend, but i do know we have to let go of dark when we go for light to ascend!!!! thats the way I see it.

I think she's just using scare tactics on you or either she's trying to make money off you since her business hasn't been going well as usual.

Syna.

[Sowelu]

Well, I don't know you, Orancia, nor the events you shared here, but I find it odd and rather inappropriate to simply post this here.

The fact that you have made this public and current lends itself to you receiving replies, however, and so here's mine:

It is yet to be seen what possible beneficial purpose there is in your choice to bring the past into the present for not just yourself but for all of us here.

Are you seeking to heal the obvious pain you carry around these events? Or is this just a choice to act against another in a new venue? Are you seeking sympathy? Revenge? What?

Regardless, it seems to me that this thread would be more appropriate in the Vent & Rant forum.

Yes, I'm aware that it states that "you can talk about anything here" in the General forum, but we do have specific venues for unresolved emotional issues and difficulties with dysfunctional relationship dynamics.

A "personal truth" based on an unhealed wound remains an "as yet undiscovered" truth.

My 2 cents added to this bizarre thread.

[Nicole]

Orancia,

I second what Sowelu said. And I think moving the post is a good idea.

Love,
Nicole

[AgeA]

Hi Sowelu! I wanted to share what I think a words of wisdom by Jansett that were true then and still much needed now. I dont know about you but all around me I see and I know many people talking about Reptiles and Darkness and how good should triumph and Love and Light should win. Some of those people I love dearly and hoping to open them to the truth. I know for certain they will come here and read Jansett's post. Too many people involved in this Duality conflict some of whom you don't know yet and yes they are here on this board. I believe Jansett's post will help them. So in my eyes it is very much appropriate and needed.

Sowelu, yes I am hurt I admit it. I am hurt because of what J's is doing. She threatened to sue me because of some two odd webpages of mine that I created when I was part of NC where indeed I 'used' her material. However, it doesn't even begin to compare to what she did to us. Sowelu, if you think it is inappropriate by any means I will not discuss J here. This post was not about her either way but about Jansett and her message.

[Sowelu]

Hi Orancia!

This post was not about her either way but about Jansett and her message.

Well, then, sad to say and true to form, your emotional woundedness obscured the light of your intent.

A clear example of how that happens, you know?

I agree that Jansett's wisdom was nourishing and beautiful to see, with a very balanced energy to it. But it was unfortunately not the most prominent aspect of your posts, and so ended up buried by your unresolved pain.

Thanks for clarifying your intent, it's much appreciated. (((Hugs)))

As for speaking of Jelaila or anyone else, for that matter, you're naturally free to do so, for as long as you feel the need to do so. My only request on that score is that it be in the appropriate forum.

The reason for this is so that those who choose not to get involved in or bombarded by the emotional issues of others do not have to because those issues aren't explored in the General forum.

With your posts in the appropriate place, others can then enjoy the General forum threads without having to deal with what they already chose not to focus on by avoiding the emotional issues-related forums to begin with. ;D

Hope that made sense?

With love,
Sowelu

[tiamat]

Hello Mark. Orancia/AgeA

Good to see you again, and thanks for the walk down memory lane. Although it wasn't really nessarsary, as i will always remember the wonderful souls i encountered on the NC site, and all their marvelous posts and insights. It really helped me find my feet on this path i walk.

What will putting the post here do to help you resolve your conflict with Jelaila. You are obviously still in a lot of pain over the things that happened, and of course, her threat to sue has opened old wounds. But as she has not gone any further, then just take it as an angry outburst, and give it no more power. I'm would think that Jelaila is just getting on with her life, and maybe over reacted when seeing her material being used without credit.

Will you ever be able to forgive and forget? You cannot force a person into conflict resolution against their will you know.

Have you kept a lot of the NC posts? I kept a few myself. Perhaps you could find something within them that will help you come to terms with this. Maybe not fully, but enough to put it behind you.

You know just maybe, one lesson we all can learn is that sometimes there isn't any lesson.

Look forward to seeing you around Mark. Welcome to the family.

[seaoffeeling]

[glow=red,2,300]I was not involved with NC nor familiar with its ideas, content or politics. However, I was intrigued by the thread that AgeA's post triggered, so I decided to read through the entire thing to see what the fuss was all about. Anyway, my own two cents, coming from the perspective of an outsider, is that the majority of the post related to ideas written by Jansett, and very little of it related to Jelaila. I can see, retrospectively, why this post would appear motivated by unresolved issues with her, but this was not the overall impression I was left with from reading the original post. That is, until I read everybody's replies to it. My feeling about this forum is that everyone is allowed to express their ideas, so long as it is presented in a manner that is understandable and appropriate. I think that the problem and miscommunication with AgeA's post occurred because 1) it was not presented clearly as ideas from Jansett, and 2) there was, as AgeA acknowledged later, unresolved hurt and anger towards Jeleila that was coming across. It is helpful and avoids misunderstanding when one has a clear idea why one is posting something, and that it is presented in a manner that is consistent with the original intention. Please do not take this as a criticism, AgeA, as I don't mean it as that. Rather, I mean it as a suggestion for the future, so that what you say is heard as you originally intended it. For what it's worth, I did, for the most part, hear it the way you say you intended. But I had to muddle through.

Much love,
-SeaofFeeling[/glow]

[AgeA]

I am really unhappy and upset that my post was moved to Vent Conference. Yes I touched on a subject of Jelaila that could be considered belonging to Emotional Clearing Conference and not this one. I am not screaming out of my lungs at Jelaila. I am just said that she hurt me and that's that and I don't think it could be resolved in this particular conference as I definitely need comments and not just I hear you, Good vent!

But most important thing is that my first post by Jansett that I posted here for my friends to read would be hard for them to find and they would not be looking for it here. Now they probably would never find it.

[Sowelu]

I am sorry for your upset, Orancia.

It is easy enough to copy Jansett's words over to a new thread of its own, in the General forum. Place a title to it that directs someone looking for it, like, "Wisdom of Jansett" or something of that nature, if you like.

With love,
Sowelu

[Lunaria]

Dear Orancia,
You can start a thread in the Emotional clearing board and we will help you if you want us to.