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Post by Sowelu on Jan 2, 2005 8:19:50 GMT -5
((((Hey Mon!)))) Here's what came in response to your post. As always, take or toss as you see fit, of course. There was a "time" when we All played and were One and lived the reality you speak of. Then, simply, I wiggled, Met exploded, and we were two. The sadness wells even as I write. The responsibility for this has been too much ... parental units trying to make it better. Questioning, wondering, learning, offering, guilting, fixing ... or thinking we could fix something that was not fixable, making it worse while in our hearts we were seeking to make it better. You're right. It's not different than what we see in 3D or else"where". Where does a parent's level of responsibility end, or the responsibility of the Family? Where is the line between creator (parent) responsibility and creature (child) free will? [/size][/quote] What we would say here is to perhaps open to the possibility that there is a "parent" level above this memory of Self (MonMet as one, then splitting) that knew it would go this way, simply because it must. And with this knowing, made the decision to go forward. This decision lies above your current consciousness and you cannot, therefore, "own it" as yours. Not unless you also "own" the wisdom with which it was made, which you have not as yet. This generating of "other-from-one" is a process of ages that must occur if any exploration of possibilities is to be endeavored within the All That Is. Perhaps you can come to see that maintaining a sense of guilt or responsibility around what has transpired since the split, is attaching oneself to illusion, refusing to go higher, to your true home, where the truth of what's occurred lives. We would remind you that this is not a mental process, but rather an experience that must be had on the inner levels of your Being. One that comes by choosing to have it. You are the child of that which is greater than you. And your parent is reminding you of your incredible beauty, talent and inability to ever do anything to make yourself or any of your creations... unloveable or unforgiveable. There are no mistakes made. Nor is anything broken, nor have things truly gone awry. There is only experience, and expansion. You have always been supported, guided and loved beyond measure by that which has always been aware of even what you have forgotten; That love is all there is, nothing has ever been wrong, and you have done no harm. Decide to intimately know (become) this greater you who had the wisdom to make this choice. This is the way of it, again and again, from macro to micro and back again. Wake up from the dream and return to your rightful place. Remember. [/color] [/size][/quote] And here we would remind you that if the host of this infection has no faith that they can be healed, then no other will be able to heal them. And if the host remembers their healthy and whole truth of self, they will heal swiftly of their own accord. And anywhere in between these two extreme possibilities, they will work with another or others, by agreement, to work out how and why they refuse to remember who they truly are and how healthy and whole they inherently are. Inevitably there is an emotion at the root of the refusal to heal. A false sense of guilt, remorse or fear. Consider this. "Healer, Heal Thyself" Well said regarding the effects of any level of intervention. There is nothing "wrong" with any of the efforts by any faction in this entire situation. All serves the whole, perfectly. The understanding being offered, however, is not about the actions taken, it is about the awareness from which they're taken, and from which this entire creation is viewed. The "why" behind the actions taken, as well as the "why" behind the existence of this Creation at all. It's time to remember. The actions and their results will always serve the whole. However if the reality behind how that is so is never understood by the undertaker of those actions, then that acting consciousness remains adrift. This consciousness remains in constant struggle, wondering how to ever find its way back home. It is not the actions that are in question. They are fine and serve the whole beautifully. It is not the intent, either. It is clear that this consciousness acts out of caring. No, the only issue here is the clarity of awareness, the level of distortion that exists in the perception of what is seen and participated in each moment. That is all. And that is the only area to which we speak here. There is something larger to understand, and from that new understanding, peace will finally enter. *** Love you! ((((Hugs)))) Sowelu
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Post by Monikah on Jan 2, 2005 12:19:51 GMT -5
Thanks.
Who's "we"?
Love, Mon
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Post by Sowelu on Jan 2, 2005 14:48:09 GMT -5
I was surprised by the "we" myself. This is the wisdom that lives in me, that has guided me and supported me through this life. I feel and recognize the energy. I have not felt a need to give it a name myself, focusing more on the message than the messenger, but since you asked, I asked.
What I get is what came through in the first piece, "Those who created those who created this realm". I also got, "Yours is not a human heart, it speaks for many".
Love you! (((Hugs!))) Sowelu
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Post by Monikah on Jan 2, 2005 15:15:06 GMT -5
OK, got it. The ones who challenge me and need to learn from me. I carried these ones fear for them for a very long time so they could go about their business of "living in love". I Know this and so do they, and they need to have me address publicly that I no longer do so.
There is a parent level above what I've so far discussed, beyond this or any created realm. I Know this. I'd suggest It didn't Know it would go this way, but It gave It's children free choice. And that if It did Know, it's because It guided things this way and/or took away free choice. Both live within me. It wasn't just a given.
These ones continue to live in the "there are no mistakes" in part because I carried their mistakes for them. They know this too. Most if not all of these have taken them back and accepted personal responsibility for things from which they hid themselves or I as the "It" parent didn't divulge. Denial goes all the way to the core. I sense this message is in part to make this understanding a public reality.
No, I don't mean in the overall picture that choices cannot be rectified, thus there are no mistakes. This I know. Perhaps it's semantics, but these ones and all have fucked up along the way. To deny this is to live in illusion. Again, I don't mean that "at home" anyone would ultimately see these as mistakes. It's like a kid who ends up in jail because of a mistake in judgment. The parents love the child no matter what, and the child can find love at home. And the family sees this occurrence as a learning experience instead of a mistake. Pick your words.
I don't like being preached at by ones who live in a love & light tra la reality, though I have allowed this to go on. Now is the time to bring this to the fore, this I knew and know. I accept that many have come home to the core, that the words and heart and love are real. I'd suggest without the experience to back up the words, though, something is missing. I have difficulty with an MD reality being discussed by those who haven't experienced 3D. And many of these have not.
<<And here we would remind you that if the host of this infection has no faith that they can be healed, then no other will be able to heal them. And if the host remembers their healthy and whole truth of self, they will heal swiftly of their own accord. And anywhere in between these two extreme possibilities, they will work with another or others, by agreement, to work out how and why they refuse to remember who they truly are and how healthy and whole they inherently are. Inevitably there is an emotion at the root of the refusal to heal. A false sense of guilt, remorse or fear. Consider this.>>
Two different realities being discussed here. They're pressing the issue onto me that a choice needs to be made about how to heal. This wasn't about extreme healing situations or me. This is about what's happening on the planet. Nice try, guys.
<<The understanding being offered, however, is not about the actions taken, it is about the awareness from which they're taken, and from which this entire creation is viewed. The "why" behind the actions taken, as well as the "why" behind the existence of this Creation at all. It's time to remember.>>
Again, I wasn't discussing me, and they're reading too much into this. I was explaining to people why some steps need to be taken that seem to be invasive and judgmental. I understand the why, even on a personal level, though getting out of the pain of the removal event is still a challenge because of all the shit literally dumped on me because of it. The more I say No to their shit, the more I accept that I took it on in the first place.
My ultimate peace will come when I return completely to Metaphon and not before. They need to understand that all their loving words and guidance and challenges and reminders will not change this, and what they perceive is happening within me is not as detectable to their "superior" eye as they may like to think.
Agreements between us have been null & void since I became aware of how many of the agreements were made without all the information on both sides. Part of this is the leftovers of how deeply I was buried. And if they say this was all my choice, I'll say they are in denial.
Just because I am who I am does not mean I have to continue close personal relationships with ones with whom I have gone through this. My main emotion is sadness. I remember who I am.
Peace, Monikah
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Post by Nicole on Jan 2, 2005 16:31:06 GMT -5
Sowelu,
I knew who the we was when you said it. Feels like you're finally speaking from the essence of you, who is many in 3D terms. I loved the energy and seeing you realize it in your writing! Thanks for the experience!
Monikah,
I'm also tired of those who refused to incarnate, or didn't for whatever reason, talk about different realities. 3D is some hard shit, ya know? I've recently told those I speak with that I don't want to hear any more about it. I'm down here doing the work and they have no idea what it is like. They only experience it through me and others they are linked with. Anyway...
Some things I wanted to point out about this thread, in general:
1) As much as we would like to say all is one, there are many different realities playing out here. All is one - at Source - but until then there are people everywhere - different times/dimensions/spaces - doing their stuff. Much of what is trying to come to light and resolve itself here feels like it is experiencing a conflict of interest between Source and the "levels below" Source. I hope this makes sense.
2) Much of what is "wrong" and has occurred/is occurring has to do with integrity. When we fix this, we fix everything. As I've said before, no matter what "level" someone is from, without integrity they're just not going to cut it with me. I hope that everyone holds "them" to this as well.
Ok, lost my train of thought. Love you all!
Nicole
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Post by Sowelu on Jan 2, 2005 17:13:06 GMT -5
((((Hugs, Mon!))))
I heard you loud and clear! Man, after reading your response and then some of what Nicole wrote, too, I can relate. I recall a few rants in the recent past (not on the board, privately) about the very same things you guys have talked about here. Especially about what it's like being here in 3D. So I totally hear ya!
I've also never taken well to ANYone telling me who I am, what I should do, or anything. I've had issues with outside authority concepts this entire path! LOL!
Thanks, Nicole, I appreciate your comment a whole lot. ((((((Hugs!))))))
Love, Sowelu
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Post by Monikah on Jan 2, 2005 20:58:36 GMT -5
Thanks to both of you.
I know the "me" that they want to me access and hold. They miss me and seek nearly desperately to have me remember and to come home. I have accessed that me, and indeed am holding it better since their message, but I could not keep it before because, until I knew the Way was clear, I had more work to do.
One thing they didn't know all along (maybe after my processing shtuff today they know, or maybe Met's told them before, or it's been revealed for a while, but whatever, no one knew for a long time) is that the core was corruptible.
First, let me say that I see the core as the Isle of Paradise, as in the Urantia Book, from whence all has come forth and where nothing changes and yet nothing remains the same. I'm beginning to piece together how I/we/the RC/etc. fit in the UB story, which is only part of the whole thing too. But anyway ...
Only Met and I knew how corruptible the Isle had become. Even these messengers and you, Sowelu, who hold the love of the Isle as your reality were not told for, if you knew, fear would have entered you and we needed some to remain as unaffected as possible. (You can yell at us for not telling you if you like.) This Isle is the heart of the Rising Star. Some have had the purpose of NOT densifying and embodying, and I honor these for holding this love in the highest realms and for keeping the corruption at bay this way while others went out to battle it heads on.
And I might say, Sowelu, that I now see one of your purposes here was to confirm to me that the Way home is clear, and I honor you dearly for embodying and yet holding this truth of pure Love here in this densest of all realities. I appreciate too the messengers message in this same regard.
I am the mother, the grandmother, the great grandmother, and on and on and on. I created myself, so to speak. Met and Mon are our names now, but our lineage is still us. And at the core we direct it all. I agree that we split more consciously than I have been willing to remember. Many reasons, and the experience of other is part of it, because there was something outside us we didn't understand.
Hmm, lots floating in the noggin ... not all this is linked yet in me ... truly in the heart only Love can survive. What exactly entered I do not yet know ... fear is the closest thing I can figure. One of the first things I remembered about this point was that Creator Spirit burgeoned with the idea for us to split because there was a darkness entering it and it wanted to know what it was, and we deemed splitting was needed to figure it out.
Oh, yes, of course, more than fear. It was the loss of integrity. Duh. Those who would wrest "control" from us by smiling to our face and stabbing our backs. Those who would lie even in the Isle of Paradise. Those who wanted the Isle for themself. Fear came after this. Hmm, there was one, there was a subtle underlying mutiny led by one. Hmmm ...
More to come. Comments welcome.
Much love and hugs and gratitude, Monikah with Metaphon
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Post by Monikah on Jan 3, 2005 21:26:02 GMT -5
Nicole, thanks for the integrity info in the Founders post. It's important to have this delineated in the process I'm undertaking. I read where you see going out of integrity as the result of fear, where here I said going out of integrity came first. Yours makes more sense, in that the primary polarities are love and fear.
One of our main purposes in splitting, as mentioned, was to identify the darkness Creator Spirit didn't understand. Did it understand love but not fear? Is that why people hold that only love exists, because even the highest of high didn't understand fear? Ultimately, is there nothing to fear because love exists, not because fear doesn't?
Love, Mon
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Post by seaoffeeling on Jan 4, 2005 1:43:07 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]I too am going through a process of understanding what integrity means to me and how this issue plays out in my life. It was initially triggered by the tsunami events, and then again by recent family events. It's probably not a coincidence that a few, perhaps, more of us are dealing with integrity issues, each in his/her own way.
-SeaofFeeling[/glow]
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Post by seaoffeeling on Jan 4, 2005 1:57:37 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]I have a question to all. Where is source? Or rather what level is Source at? In relation to "those that created those that created this realm", are there levels beyond this, that we are not yet aware of. Levels that are being created as we speak? Is it possible that the levels are infinite?
I'm sorry, this was more than 'a' question. But they suddenly popped in my mind, and I'm curious to hear others' thoughts on this.
Thanks! -SeaofFeeling[/glow]
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Post by Monikah on Jan 4, 2005 11:25:58 GMT -5
Here are some basics from our website: Creator Spirit, Great Spirit, Source of All - Mind-Heart; the energy source from which all life comes and to which all life returns, making All One God.dess Consciousness - Consciousness of the Source of All Supreme Creator, Omnipotent Creator, Infinite Creator, etc. - aspect of God.dess consciousness that decrees universal Law and opens higher frequencies Primal Energy - Raw energy Creator - one who works with energies to reveal what's hidden; Mind Spirit - infinite possibilities; unlimited energy; all that is manifest and unmanifest; the essence that binds All That Is as One; Heart Source - an energy source and consciousness from which specific life expressions of Creator Spirit spring; the Source that an entity relies on changes depending on energy and consciousness needed; the Twin Ray is an individual's ultimate Source There are more at sfdl.atspace.com/definitions.html. We are what the UB calls "absonite", without beginning and without end. There are creators beyond these ones, but for me I've just re-created myself over and over again, as I've never not existed. I'm doing so now. Levels and possibilities are infinite, so it's time for a new me. So too it's possible that those that created those that created this realm are just another version of the same entities. Also, I see that in one sense I did know "this was going to happen", that focusing the lack of integrity needed to take place and I chose this path, though I never in my wildest thoughts imagined it would take me so low or take so long or that I'd be involved in so many things I didn't choose except as an indirect relationship to this original choice. So yes I knew but no I didn't. Lots was washed away in the tsunami, wasn't it?! No need to apologize, Sea! Blessings, Monikah
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Post by Nicole on Jan 4, 2005 12:19:38 GMT -5
As its been shown to me, integrity is the biggest thing that the universe has to "get." That's the only way I can put it, hope it makes sense. It's the common thread that runs through all "problems" and all solutions. It begins with Self and extends to others.
And it's not cut and dry. That's why I just posted the article. It took me a LONG time to get it down like that, and I don't know if I could paraphrase to be honest!
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Post by Sowelu on Jan 4, 2005 12:54:20 GMT -5
I agree, Nicole. I had this idea pop in...
When the alterations occurred to the DNA, it's as though the centerpoint of our inner gyroscope was moved. We're basically, essentially, "off-center". So that something like integrity - even if we know the definition - is attempted from an "off" place. We "center around the wrong point" again and again. Until we reach the root emotional causes of things, and repeatedly shift them back to center through self-honesty and full revelation, we will continue to be "off-center" in our integrity.
Not because we intend to be, not because we don't try like heck not to be, but simply because it was part of the package. Discovering it and rectifying it is HUGE! It's the whole ball of wax, it feels like!
Wow... I didn't go at things from that entry point before. It's pretty amazing. The feeling is that even if you want to, you can't even approximate a "round-sided pulletcrazer" unless you've seen one before. LOL! You can't BE in integrity if you have no sense of what it IS because you're entire sense of self here is literally "off" from what integrity is.
Wow. What a burden! And yet, in light of this much has been accomplished anyway. That's a big WOW. Pretty darn cool, if you ask me.
Love you! (((Hugs))) Sowelu
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Post by Monikah on Jan 4, 2005 13:21:52 GMT -5
You are all so gorgeous!
Nicole and all, Metaphon said that he has adopted your work as the basis for all new and healing universal structure. Integrity for him personally and for all who are with him will be based on these guidelines. Truly an indication that 3D goddess has her rightful place in the highest heavens, and that universal solutions are coming from 3D.
Sowelu, you're right on about this. I like the gyroscope analogy. I've thought about it more generally. For example, people can get so p.o.ed about things others do (think abuse, war, crime, and all that) who show no remorse or don't seem to comprehend that what they're doing is "wrong." But, simply put, they literally don't have the DNA structure to "get it". Another example is people stuck in fundamental morality or religions. Offer them something a little more enlightened and they look like deer in the headlights, think you're nuts, and say, "God's ways are a mystery."
Getting DNA back to wholness IS the whole ball of wax, for without it everything else is indeed off!
Peace, Mon
P.S. I just read another example in vent & rant ... energy suckers. So needy because they're missing so much. Keep your boundaries clear, folks!
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Post by Nicole on Jan 4, 2005 13:30:24 GMT -5
Sowelu, I think you've just stumbled upon the riddle that I've been at for a few years now...from The Emerald Tablets and you and I have discussed before - about angles and curves. You can find this chapter online at www.crystalinks.com/emerald8bw.htmlSay that the reference to cycle meant dimension. The Hounds of the Barrier are those who guard against false ascension or "illegal" travel in between. They exist "where time exists not" - is this the null/zero point? The void between dimensions? Perhaps then the reference to angles is simply that which is not natural - curves on the other hand ARE NATURAL - think Fibonnacci spiral which exists in everything as far as I know. It's the curve of life so to speak. So if integrity is the central hub in a sense, then wouldn't it be part of the Fibonnacci or the curves? Not able to fully explain but I feel I'm on the right track. So if you attempt a false ascension, one not in integrity, then they pursue you and make you start over. Perhaps this is accomplished in the past by leaving your body? Perhaps our ascension now is a true ascension in integrity? A side though, won't digress anymore at this time. Based on what I've said, I can't decipher this at this time. Few are those who have ascended? Thoth had to come back and attempt his journey with integrity? Anyway, I'm a little lost now but this has been on my mind again lately and I immediately thought of it when reading your post. So I think I'm at least close.
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