Ascension Of Blue Race

[SolarAngels]

Namaste, ;D
I have never been one for popular opinions .

I also feel I am not on this earth to maintain the staus quo and FIT in with 3d reality.

I have found with this hole topic, that many can take it as personal, so I wonder, if it upsets them that others have a view that certain peoples are more interested in the money and treat it more like a busniness than really having the right motives and intent behind what they are doing. Why does it upset them?

I have found in all honestly, that many high level spiritual teachers, and many healers and spiritual types I have meet are really just good buisness men and women, who know how to market them self, who come out with ridiculas claims, to know absolute truths, claim they are this or that ascended master or being of high standing, have special favor with masters and angels, claim they are enlightend on and on and on, so naive aspirants on the path, who are hungry for healing and truth, swallow it all up and end up spending ridiculas amounts of money, in some cases just about all they have, while the teacher gets rich, while dishing out there unintergrated, fragmented, negative ego tainted teachings, when really there motives are not in the heart of love, they are only in the heart of money, And needing to feel worthy of what they are doing so they charge higher amounts of money,and other agendas which I wont go into , cause, plain and simple they are greddy. then say, oh we need and energy exchange. to keep a balance

I wonder how we would all feel if the sun said I am not going to shine on you today, cause you havent paid me any money, you dont apeciate me and you dont give me any thing in return.

The sun shines on earth, every day, it asks nothing in return from us, it shines any way. Without the Sun we would surly die to this world.

And the Sun imo, is a magnificant being whom I call helios the Solar Logos, a Ascended Master. But he/she keeps shining

Now I wonder why do all these guardian angels hang around peoples? Every soul on earth has a guadian angel, and lets be honest not every one apreciartes them or even knows they are there. but they are, thats devotion, thats unconditional love.

Next thing you know teachers will be saying hey if you dont master money you wont ascend, so pay me this and this and I will show you how to attain enlighenment and get rich, its ridiculas.

I bet if you are reading this you would think I have huuuuuge issuse with those who charge money, but I havent, I know peoples whom are doing it with the right intent and motives imo, and i also know others who have wrong motives and intent.

I always liked the song the best things is life a free, and I agree.

It is sad that most peoples who are in need of the most healing and help live in poverty, there is the catch, it seems those whom are rich and well of in the money stakes get the best of every thing, MATERIAL.

The best teachings healing and asistance I have recived I recived from paying no money at all, and I have spent thousands of dollars on spiritual things, workshops books sessions classes, etc.

Every thing I have learnt from paying money, is out there free of charge any way. So I would say that those who payed ridiculas amounts of money like I have, to attain somthing that one can get for free, to be blunt got sucked in, and now maybe they want to get there revenge and suck others in also ;D, giggles.

I dont have one problem what so ever in giving healing, information, any wisdom I poccess, and love to any one whom asks of it from me, the only thing is, if I am unbalanced emotionaly mentaly etc, and some one asks for healing I would say I will pray for you but I will have to wait until I am balanced again before I can give you a healing though my channel.

I make sure I am right with self before I try and heal another, thats it, I dont want there money, nor there prasie, I give unconditionaly. And I never get dranied of energy, while I am working this way.

I even seen some web sites who charge people money to pray for them, who knows maybe that will be the next new age paradim, we wont pray for you or the world, unless you pay us money and there is an energy exchange, giggles.

I do hope I havent upset any one, as it seems maybe I am the only one on this site who has such views, or if I am not, maybe others are to scared to speak up.

There is always two sides of every coin.

And yes on this planet there is enough food and resouces to house , feed and clothe every person on beloved mother earth, but becasue of greed, we continue to have haves and have nots.
makes me wonder why jesus really did turn all those tables up in the churches etc, and did he charge money to heal people and give discourses. and why Buddha turned his back on his palace and rich life style he had.

Om Shanti.
SolarAngels

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SoalrsAngel,
You have a good point there about the sun. But I think there is a energy exchange between planets as well. hum...

I also don't think anyone here is angry or mad...we have out grown that stage and are just sharing views.
Once again, I think the exchange thing is a 3D thing and after certain dimension we just give thru unconditional love with expecting anything in return...
we will just have to wait and see...

[ADMIN]

On the other hand, just this morning on my way to work I asked myself and questioned those who had money or a higher status if they were willing to give it all up and walk away if a ascended being showed up and said 'follow me"
We are to enjoy the things of life but not get attached to them...This came up because I heard on the radio that there was a 14% increase in millionaires last year...I wonder if they would leave it all ....all that money....wow!
Finally, I guess when you reach a certain level in spirituality, you don't need to charge because you have mastered all facets and lack nothing...just look at the great ones, they never charge...
Mother Teresa,
Gandhi,
Dali Lama,
Etc...
They give and serve unconditionally!!!
It those who have not mastered the art of provision who still need to abide by the 3rd Dimensional ways.

There is much that I can share of my personal expriences, but then again I might just bore you guys with my tales of when I was HOLY! ;D

[whitequeen]

SolarAngels said:

Namaste, ;D
I have never been one for popular opinions .

Hi Solarangels,

I also feel I am not on this earth to maintain the staus quo and FIT in with 3d reality.

Nor do most of us here I suspect.


I have found with this hole topic, that many can take it as personal, so I wonder, if it upsets them that others have a view that certain peoples are more interested in the money and treat it more like a busniness than really having the right motives and intent behind what they are doing. Why does it upset them?

I have found in all honestly, that many high level spiritual teachers, and many healers and spiritual types I have meet are really just good buisness men and women, who know how to market them self, who come out with ridiculas claims, to know absolute truths, claim they are this or that ascended master or being of high standing, have special favor with masters and angels, claim they are enlightend on and on and on, so naive aspirants on the path, who are hungry for healing and truth, swallow it all up and end up spending ridiculas amounts of money, in some cases just about all they have, while the teacher gets rich, while dishing out there unintergrated, fragmented, negative ego tainted teachings, ...

It is each individuals responsibility to check with his or her inner voice before getting involved in ANY relationship with ANY other person on this planet under cany circumstance.

In the event of becoming 'trapped' by the evil snake oil salesman, no one is forcing another to buy their wares. It's up to the buyer, thus the statement, 'buyer beware'.

I wonder how we would all feel if the sun said I am not going to shine on you today, cause you havent paid me any money, you dont apeciate me and you dont give me any thing in return.

In return for the sun's willingness to shine, it receives the gratification and return of energy of all creations under it's light who are enabled to survive.

There are no free lunches in the universe, even for the sun and the angels. All beings, in what ever form they manifest from 'lowly' human <chuckle> to the sun and Source itself need to maintain the 'flow' and this is done by an energy exchange.

Just because we on earth as humans have agreed to represent that flow in the form of money doesn't mean we are lesser or evil or dark.

AND just because we choose to charge money for the passage of our knowledge also doesn't condemn us to the dammed.

After all, that is all some of us do...teach the wisdom, knowledge and truths of the universe. That IS our work, not flipping hamburgers at the Intergalactic Diner.

We too are entitled to the exchange of universal energy that nourishes and keeps us thriving and able to continue in the flow of give and receive.

We have also agreed in human form to receive a portion of our universal flow in the form of money (mana).


Next thing you know teachers will be saying hey if you dont master money you wont ascend, so pay me this and this and I will show you how to attain enlighenment and get rich, its ridiculas.

Actually it is not the NEXT thing they will be saying as it is being said NOW and it is true. The problem is the words that are being used are confusing.

We do hav eto master MONEY to ascend; the concept of the interchange of energy (money) and also the concept of the unification of the opposites of polarity.

Itis critical to master these concepts and they have been left for last by many because they are so difficult to master in 3D.

They are difficult concepts to master because of the seduction of our 3D universe.

We have been given the luxury of luxury. It is not necessarily present on other planets and definitely not present in the non-physical.

Rich dark chocolate, silk, satin and velvet, hugs, sex,
good food and drink, soft fur on our pets, smooth skin on the inside of someone's inner arm, warm summer nights, chilly winter evenings, a fire in the fire place.

And the luxury of emotion, feeing, being proud, arrogance, haughtiness, joy, love, anger, hate, and greed.

All a part of living in a 3D universe. And aquiring money is a part of this process as well as integrating it's meaning.

There is a feeling one gets when one gets paid for one's labors. I remember as a kid getting my first ever pay check for doing some kind of a job. It was a feeling of power and of receiving acknowledgement and recognition for a job well done and appreciated by my employer.


I bet if you are reading this you would think I have huuuuuge issuse with those who charge money, but I havent, I know peoples whom are doing it with the right intent and motives imo, and i also know others who have wrong motives and intent.

Who are you to 'judge' whose motives are right and whose are wrong? No one has the right or the power to make that judgement for another.

I belive you do have issues with people who charge money for sharing their energy with others. It's great that you can offer your energy to others for free. But it seems it has given you a 'holier than thou' idea of yourself which is as unbalanced and selfish as those of us who you are accusing of spiritual usury.

[whitequeen]

It is sad that most peoples who are in need of the most healing and help live in poverty, there is the catch, it seems those whom are rich and well of in the money stakes get the best of every thing, MATERIAL.

True it may be sad, but in truth it is their lesson and they need to learn how to integrate these lessons into their beings and rise up to live in the world with dignity. If they choose to remain in poverty is because they have made this choice on some level and also chosen to give up their rights under universal law.

Since we create our realities, these people are free to choose to whom they go for guidance and help. As you have said elsewhere in your post, most things offered are available for free.

The best teachings healing and asistance I have recived I recived from paying no money at all, and I have spent thousands of dollars on spiritual things, workshops books sessions classes, etc.

I have heard many people say this. It brings up two thoughts.

One is for me personally, the best teachings and guidance i have received has always been something I have paid for -- sometimes lots of money and other times less. It seems the exchange is one most of the time where the giver or teacher is willing to give more value when he or she is paid. Of course there are scams out there, but for people who truly know their stuff and share by giving great value, there has been no comparison.

Again it is the recipients responsibility to choose what he or she believes is right for himself and also to recognize a scam either before or during the scam or poor value purchase.

I too have been ripped off and it is my lesson. Now I am much more aware and check into things in great detail before I buy.

The other thing about this that would be interesting to do some kind of survey on is how the teacher feels when having given and given an given for free and never receives payment or a return of any kind for what has been given away.

There have been several of us on this thread who are healers, teachers, etc. who have offered their comments on this and mostly all have said they feel burned out after doing so and not wanting to continue.

It's called feeling taken advantage of.

Every thing I have learnt from paying money, is out there free of charge any way. So I would say that those who payed ridiculas amounts of money like I have, to attain somthing that one can get for free, to be blunt got sucked in, and now maybe they want to get there revenge and suck others in also ;D, giggles.

Again, you only get sucked in if your agreed to be a victim and a suckee.

I dont have one problem what so ever in giving healing, information, any wisdom I poccess, and love to any one whom asks of it from me, the only thing is, if I am unbalanced emotionaly mentaly etc, and some one asks for healing I would say I will pray for you but I will have to wait until I am balanced again before I can give you a healing though my channel.

I wonder what you do for a living and how you make the money you need to live in 3D. Surely you are not one who is given everything you need by others. there are few of us out there that receive our entire sustenance from the goodness of peopl's hearts.


I do hope I havent upset any one, as it seems maybe I am the only one on this site who has such views, or if I am not, maybe others are to scared to speak up.

I dont' think there are too many of us who are scared to speak up on this topic. And for the ones that are, it is their choice not to speak their truths. It is their lesson.

This is an old, worn out topic for many of us who have been forced to justify our very existance because of people who have similar views to yourself and believe that we should give away for free what we have worked so hard to gain ourselves.

There are so many leeches out there sucking the life out of lightworkers and teachers and taking and taking without giving anything in return. This has made many of us have to charge even more for our services to make up for the ones who are unwilling to pay anything and expect all to come to them for nothing.

Frankly, for people like this I show them the door and tell them to come back when they are able and willing to pay me. I personally have gone out of my way to make payment arrangements with many, many people so that my services are affordable.

I price myself and my services based on what i think I am worth. Many others do the same. There is no shame or wrong in our doing so.

And yes on this planet there is enough food and resouces to house , feed and clothe every person on beloved mother earth, but becasue of greed, we continue to have haves and have nots.

From a 3D emotional judgement it appears that the problem is from greed. From a more holistic, multidimensional perspective it is not greed at all. It is each individual's choice and path to learn to take care of self. If someone is living in poverty or starving it was a choice their soul made to learn a lesson. It has nothing to do with another's choice to be a millionaire.

AND, please note that many, many very rich people are great philanthropists and give their money away to help others. Including the US of A as a country. This country may be the demon in other's eyes, especially our governemtn, but the truth is we give away way more than we use.

In return for the philanthropy of the rich to the poor, the rich get tax write offs. This is their payment if you will, their energy exchange. You may not like this and can probably find a million and one things to condemn, but it is the agreed upon method for doing this. Some give from their hearts, some to cover their asses and save on taxes, some to rip off the governement and all receive a right off. Even the little guy who gives to charity of only a few dollars can receive a tax right off for the priviledge of having given away. It is an energy exchange.

Jesus and Buddah were teaching the lesson that all could have what they needed and wanted by taking personal responsibility and through choice. In both cases they made the choice to live the way they did and teach by example. They were not necessarily teaching that living in poverty and disavowing money was the answer.

Integration of all things is the path to Source. The All contained in All. God is rich in all things, rich in resources and planets, rich in galaxies and souls playing at the manifesitng game and exeriencing all things. Why should we not be reflected in this image of Source as well? As above so below, as below, so above. The great Hermetic principle.

So be it!

WhiteQueen

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[Nicole]

Solar Angels,

Something you said made me want to comment.

"And yes on this planet there is enough food and resouces to house , feed and clothe every person on beloved mother earth, but becasue of greed, we continue to have haves and have nots.
makes me wonder why jesus really did turn all those tables up in the churches etc, and did he charge money to heal people and give discourses. and why Buddha turned his back on his palace and rich life style he had."

Well, let me ask you this. Say we had this wonderful community where we all worked together in order to have food, clothes, houses, etc. And we each contributed our part, whatever that might be. But there was this one person who didn't contribute, but felt that he was still entitled to the benefits because we should give unconditionally to him. And when we don't give, he calls us greedy and not spiritual or ascended or whatever.

So my question is how would you feel if you gave of your energy to have a roof over your head, food, etc. but this guy gave nothing and expected it all in return? What if it was given to him anyway? Would you feel the energy exchange was equal? Would you begin to feel drained? Cheated? (other feelings?)

There are many things that can be energy exchanges, but when someone wants something for nothing they neither honor themselves or the other person. And the "giver" doesn't honor themselves or the other person if they give. I suppose I could go on, but I just thought I'd further illustrate what I was trying to say.

Did Jesus, assuming he was a "real" person, charge? Sure he did. He required that those who he taught wanted to learn, and I bet he required that they listen to him when he spoke just the same as anyone who might go lecturing requires that those in their classroom or whatever also give them that respect. He required their attention if they were to get the lesson.

And Buddha, well, maybe he had been there, done that, and no longer had the fear of poverty or living without possessions. Life is all about experiencing things and different ways of being IMO

Just wanted to comment on that.

Love!
Nicole

[SolarAngels]

Namaste ;D,
Gee I like the way you disected my words .


White queen, we will have to agree to disagree, I personly find it ridiculas that one needs to master money to ascend.

God helps those who help them selves, and God will treat one how he/she treats others.

whitequeen if you feel I have a holier than now attiude then imo. you are completly missing what I am saying and taking what I said as a personal attack to you.

I kinda knew there would be a reaction to my words as I was guided to tune into the first ray and speak from my divine masculine self.

What I said was not a Judgement at all it was my discernment of what I have experianced, not every one is in integrity, sure we learn what we a supposed to, we can learn by grace or the school of hard knocks, we can learn things the hard way or easy way, some things take longer than others, but what ever we experiance is becasue of choice. And its just what we need to learn.

I didnt say there where no free luchnes, I am talking about the intent and motives , of one whom clamis to be serving the light or unconditional love.

To be honest and its only my opinion, I feel what I said has been taken personly of course you can disagree, and thats ok.

White queen, I work as a career at a aged care centre,
once again I am not talking about or saying one should not make a living and earn money, I am talking about intent and motives behind giving love unconditionaly, the motives behind doing what one does.

What ever any one does, I never said its wrong or right, I am simply stateing a view that I find in my heart. Based on my experiance.

It seems some are atatched to the fruits of there labour and what they recive for it, and some are not, I persoanly am not attached to getting any thing from any one, if I give healing wisdom etc to another, I know that I will recive that grace back by God angels masters and my own divine self, for in giving we recive.

I will get back to this post , and maybe disect your words also, giggles , that looks like fun, I have to get ready for work,
Love ya .
Om Shanti.
SolarAngels

[whitequeen]

SolarAngels,
I did not 'disect' your words. I used the quote device on the website to highlight the sections I wished to respond to. If I WERE to disect your words, I would probaly not do it on the site, rather write to you privately. During a disection there is usually blood let and I choose not to do blood letting here.

And of course people reply from a personal point of view. That is all there is. Anyone who belies that fact that they are passing on UNIVERSAL TRUTHS are fooling themelsevs and trying to fool others

I have shared my thoughts on this matter and will not respond again to this thread as I find it futile and frustrating to try to discuss something when there seems to be no common ground for discussion.

Blessings,
WQ

[Nicole]

Solar Angels,

I never said you or anyone had to master money to ascend. So it seems that perhaps we both misunderstand each other.

I also don't take what you've said as a personal attack. But I am beginning to think that you feel that way. I could turn your "holier than thou" statement around on you to this end you know. But I want to let you know I have not meant to make you feel that way. I tend to be direct with my thoughts and don't sugarcoat, and I know I can rub some the wrong way but that's just me. This is a place to have lively discussion so as to work through our thoughts, feelings, and broaden our horizons and that's what I'm doing here.

In fact, I wanted to write and tell you this afternoon thank you for exploring this with me because I obviously need to do this or wouldn't be drawn into the discussion.

So, I'm going to explore why I need this discussion and what I need to discover and clear through it. Are you willing to do the same?

Love,
Nicole

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Guys,
The intention of this thread is the exchange of energy, whether it be in any form, tangible or not.
Master Jesus did ask for something in return...He asked to follow him for he was the way, the path, and the light!!! We are using Monetary notes, which in the beginning this wasn't the intention of this note, but it has taken on an energy that people have gone to extremes to have it...it has the energy we have fed it!
Let us know that if money didn't exist we would still be exchanging clothes, food, etc...it is a physical/material thing that can ONLY be tied to and not to spiritual levels...
I want to correct myself as in a previous post I said that the Dali Lama didn't charge.
hge will be in Miami Florida in Sept and my friend and I would like to go see him.
But!
He is charging $150.00 !
Now, is this energy exchange, or greed?
He has expenses to cover as he is in a 3D plane...
This is not like in the olden days when Jesus walked the earth, he was given hospitality and food from strangers, he also has the powers to fast for days..etc...

As I said before, when we master these things, there will be no need to charge for the energy exchange as one than gives it all for humanity.
Those who have mastered this live off contributions from the followers.

[SolarAngels]

Namaste
I am sorry you feel that way White queen, Om Shanti.

I apologize Nic, it was actualy White queen who said we need to master money to ascend. and also this quote about me being hollier than thou,

quote"
'who are you to 'judge' whose motives are right and whose are wrong? No one has the right or the power to make that judgement for another.

I belive you do have issues with people who charge money for sharing their energy with others. It's great that you can offer your energy to others for free. But it seems it has given you a 'holier than thou' idea of yourself which is as unbalanced and selfish as those of us who you are accusing of spiritual usury. end quote"

I will reply to this , I most certainly have the right to make my OWN discernments, of who walks there talk, and who is in integrity and has right motives , its my right and a sovieron being, I wasnt makeing any kind of judment for another, it was discernments, I have come to from my experiance with many teachers. And I wasnt acusing any one here of any thing.

I also stated in many of the posts on the thread I know many peoples whom charge money whom i feel are doing it with intergrity, its my right to have that discernment, there is no fear there, its a discerment based on my heart, of whats good for me personaly, in terms of what will bring me closer to unconditional love, and whom I trust in regards to having the right motives and intent. and truth. It matters not to me what so ever who agress with me or not, I am not attached if any one feels its true also, honestly I really dont care ,giggles.

Nic, I honesly am not talking any thing you or white queen have said personly at all, I respect you right as a sovieron being to come to any perception of truth that works for you, I am honestly not attached to what any one bealives is truth, I have my opinions and will share them , thats all they are ,opinions.

I must make it clear that any thing I say is not directed at any person directly, like I am talking to them acusing them of any thing, I am just shareing my heart is all.
I am not taking what you say personly, I am fully aware that any thing that happens within is not caused by any thing any one says to me, or any thing out side my self, no one can make me feel or act any way,unless it my choice to.

Nicole I am open to exploring this subject as far as you can take it. . Nor am I shareing any thing to be the one who knows, only shareing my opinions based on my experiance's.

Besides intent and motive behind that which one does, I am also talking about attachment, I have found in my OWN personal experiance that when I have an attachment to what I recive I get unbalanced, I feel Buddha was right , when he said all suffering comes from ones attachments.

Your example about the fellow Nic, well i would tell him God helps those who help them selves, I would do what I could, pray for him etc, ask God that he have a greater merger with his spirit is that be gods will, I would go on a prayer program for him, I would ask him if he wants to be helped, and if he is not willing to do any thing to help him self then I cant help him.
I am not big on feeling cheated etc, I would rather feel joyfull and feel love, if I get that way, I do what needs to be done to feel unconditional love again, its a waste of energy other wise, I am not saying I never get unbalacned for I do, but its always a choice, I can change in any moment if I so chose.

I feel in my OWN experiance one can tell if another is hungry for truth and freedom, one can tell when one just wants a free lunch as you put it, and is not willing to put the effort in to help them self, I pray for those ones. They are just not ready maybe to take that step, and have other thinsg to learn before they are.

There have been experiances where people have so called ripped me of, etc, taken advantage of my kindness etc, but even then, I have a choice to how I feel about it, I could get angry and upset, or not, and just put it down to a lesson I had to learn in discernment or other asorted lessons, and pray for them again. I am big on prayer .

Motives and intent are so very important, IMO when it comes to healing or giving spiritual guidence to any one.
actualy in any thing we do.

For example when soemone cooks me a meal, if they cook it with love in there heart, with no motive of getting prasie or reward, they are doing it becasue they love , and it is a joy to do it, becasue they love , then the food taste better.

If the soul purpose of one doing healing is to make money, then there channel IMO will be corupted, all energy that comes through our channel is filterd through our own stuff, IMO.

If a person gives a healing or a spiritual discourse, to seek prasie to feel good about them self, or make money, then IMO, they are only catering to there neagtive ego, and the true spirit of unconditional love will not shine through as much as it could,imo.

I am a firm beleiver or the words, seek ye the kingdom of heaven first ,and all things shall be added unto thee.

I feel in my heart that in giving we recive.

What we give we recive back, I also feel that in giving we dont have the alterior motive of reciveing , for then if we dont get that which we hoped for (attachment) we will surly get unbalanced.

I feel we should give becaue we love them, not like its a busniness transaction, etc. If there is no unconditonal love in it, then the results wont be as benifical for all concernd.

I am also not concerned if any one apreciates me for what I do, or in getting prasie for what I do, for God knows my heart, he/she, sees my intent, and thats all that matters. If I give unconditioal love to my brothers and sisters, and treat them like my very self, then God/Goddess will look after me, and the forces of light will help me in the same way. and all things shall be added unto me, in way that will be for my highest good.

There is one constant in my universe and thats change, so my views on this may very well change, but for this moment they reflect my very heart.

I could go on but this post is getting long.

Thank you Nicole for shareing and for exploring consciousness with me.
Om Shanti with Love.
SolarAngels.

[Nicole]

Solar Angels,

Thanks for the clarification. It all worked out in the end for me anyway because what you wrote forced me to confront what I was feeling and the feelings were related to your post, even if WQ said it! LOL

So let me just take this opportunity to say how I was feeling and get it out in the open.

I did feel like you were speaking from a place of superiority, specifically when you said you spoke from the white ray etc. etc.

I felt like you were in judgement of those who charge money to a degree. Doesn't really matter about the money, though - judgement was the key word here.

So that said, I realize these are a reflection of my own issues. I will have to look at myself here and see where I need to clear in relation to these feelings. Thank you for assisting me in bringing them up.

I can certainly agree to disagree at this point and don't see any reason to hash through it again as we have many differing views and that's ok. Sometimes when clearing is involved, though, you have to go through the conversation before you can get to where you're going

Thanks again,

Love,
Nicole

[SolarAngels]

Namaste Nic,

Maybe you could difine what you feel judgement is?

To me is is an opinion with out love. An opinion with fear.

I work with the rays by consciuouly calling them forth , so I can express through them.I chose the first ray of will and power which I experiance and blue, so I could align as much as my channel would allow with the will of God.

Thats why a while ago on earth council I posted that I dont really like posting on forums much any more because people get offended, or think things like you and white queen have mentioned here.

Even though time and time again I have said on earth council, I make no claims to haveing a monoply on truth , every thing I say is just my opinion, but no matter how many times one says this , becasue one has differant views than them, they call you judgemental etc.

If we had no discernment we would all be lead up the garden path, imo.

I hoestly feel what I said was not judgemental, it wasnt said from a place of fear.

A persons reaction to what he reads is soley the responsabilty of the reader, I cant change that.

I am sorry you and white queen feel that way, and maybe I could say the reason you feel that way is becasue you are both coming from that space your self.

But would rather just say, thats your right and your discernment, for I can never really know cause I havent got your divine phisical body in front of me to look at body language, I only have your words and energy and my interpretation of them, to make that discernment.

I felt the reason for having a council meeting is to share ones heart, without the concern of having others hit you with charecter assasinations. At a council meeting imo, not every one agress but imo there should be respect for anothers heart and truth and harmony.

Throughout this thread I never once accused any one of earth council of any thing.

I never used names of teachers whom I have experianced of in the ways I spoke of. I have spoken about the subject matter how I percive things.

Om Shanti.
SolarAngels

[Nicole]

SolarAngels,

You are right about feelings being the responsibility of the person who feels them. That is why I took responsibility for my feelings and addressed them here. That is part of clearing.

But since you indicated that you didn't feel what you said was this way or that, well, let me just let you know how your words come across in the way I describe.

"
To me is is an opinion with out love. An opinion with fear."

Judgement is, in fact, making someone wrong because they are different than you in some way. Of course that comes out of fear and the many variations of it. Sometimes we have to look deep down to find the fear because our conscious minds have not acknowledged it even though it comes out in words and actions. So you could mean to be loving but in fact be judgemental and not see it. THe same goes for me and everyone else. My IC is certainly skilled at pulling the wool over my eyes!

That said,

"I work with the rays by consciuouly calling them forth , so I can express through them.I chose the first ray of will and power which I experiance and blue, so I could align as much as my channel would allow with the will of God. "

The way that you said it before, "I kinda knew there would be a reaction to my words as I was guided to tune into the first ray and speak from my divine masculine self.", sounded as if you were spouting off credentials to make yourself superior to the others here. I didn't realize when I started this post here that I would be letting my IC express so fully, but she is yelling at me so here goes.

You don't have to qualify yourself with a ray or masculine self or whatever. We don't care and it sounds pompous. I could say I'm a galactic counselor, I'm a member of the council of 12, I have a masters in english and a ba in history and I have two MOS certifications. But why do I need to qualify myself? All we need to know is the energy behind your words and what your words say.

And you talk so much about praying for others and god helping them. WE DO NOT NEED, NOR DID WE ASK FOR, ANY HELP AND DO NOT NEED YOUR PRAYERS!! DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR US UNLESS WE ASK!!

(Self talking again)So what it comes down to SolarAngels is that I think you caretake people. Not TAKE CARE OF people, but caretake. There's a difference, and the difference is that a) you caretake if they don't ask and b) if they can do it themselves but are relying on you you're caretaking. That's another place the energy exchange comes in.

And one more thing here - churches, etc. need money. Why? Because they have to operate and it takes money to do so. Now, I do have a problem with them acting like it's a free service (hypocritical) but let's face it it is not because they have to pay staff, for their space, etc. Same with others. Even "gurus" and such probably require at least food in return!

I hope you're not afraid to clear with me SolarAngels and I didn't mean to if I have hurt your feelings. I know everyone's "skin" isn't as thick as mine and I feel you might be new to emotional clearing (if I am wrong I'm sorry). I guess I supressed my IC and so I had to honor her by telling you all of this. Yes, they are my feelings, but I know that in every "conflict" that there is something for both people in what each of them is feeling. It's all a lovely mirror.

Love,
Nicole

[Nicole]

OM SHANTI!!

I have no idea what that means Solar Angels, but I figure it's something nice and since you say it I want to say it to you along with THANK YOU!!!

On my way from work to class (I'm taking a course this week) I GOT IT in an instant!!!

After drilling down and realizing I was mad at you for caretaking, what did I do? I CARETAKED YOU!!

I have been so worried about your feelings, coddling you and worrying you'd be mad. I went easy on you, afraid to follow my heart and express. I didn't think you could take it. I thought you'd leave the board. I thought you'd break down.

And I am so, so sorry for this Solar Angels. I want to apologize for not giving you the opportunity to be you, for taking that away from you with my caretaking. For not trusting you to be ok and to follow through with this.

Thank you so much for showing this to me. Thank you for going through this with me.

Although I'm not quite sure yet, I think this behavior might be one of the things draining me lately. I think no one in my family can be ok without me and so I try to do it all for them and not let them experience pain. Again, thank you so much.

Much love,
Nicole