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Post by knowthis on Dec 18, 2005 13:26:43 GMT -5
I first heard about this woman's amazing story on Coast-To-Coast-AM(link).
Here's a synopsis of the show:
This is her official web-site: www.firethegrid.com/eng/eng-home-fr.htm
Her experience is divided up in to three parts, "The Story", "The Problem" & "The Plan".
If I recall correctly, she said that she was told by the "light beings" that she encountered that the following songs are highly beneficial to facilitating deep meditations. They are available for downloading here. You may want to check them out?
Enjoy!
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Post by Sowelu on Dec 18, 2005 15:19:39 GMT -5
Awesome, KNOWTHIS! Thanks for making it available here!!! ((((Hugs))))
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Post by dutchraven on Dec 22, 2005 18:26:45 GMT -5
Interesting site KnowThis, and I love the musical downloads!
Especially the song Sky Sent, lovely!
Thanks for bringing it to attention.
Love, Dutch Raven
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Post by Nicole on Dec 22, 2005 21:24:55 GMT -5
I've been getting 2007 as a year of great change/shift for a few years now. Not surprising, and very cool! I'll definitely check it out!
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Post by Sowelu on Dec 22, 2005 21:34:43 GMT -5
I have the same "2007" sense, Ophaniel, and have for a real long time, actually. And when I came upon this site (Thanks, KNOWTHIS) I wondered if this was part of it! So I find it all rather exciting. I must admit, I never went much for the "Gaia needs us to make changes, she's hurting" or "she won't support us much longer" stuff, no. That has never resonated for me. In my sense of things... we are doing precisely what was expected in "The Plan" and we don't "have to" anything. BUT... How this idea from this site fits in for me is that... ONCE we awaken to many realizations and things... we will naturally WANT to make changes that include restoring the earth to a more abundantly healthy and beautiful place to be again. And if we awaken as a whole, or even a large group... we will manifest that en masse, and this woman's idea may be just the ticket, as they say.
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Post by dutchraven on Dec 23, 2005 17:16:16 GMT -5
That makes alot of sense Sowelu!
Love, Dutch Raven
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Post by LilliHart on Dec 23, 2005 21:23:43 GMT -5
OH, I am so afraid I am going to rain on everyone's parade but I feel driven to add my 2 cents to this thread and I am not in agreement...so, here I go, being miss unpopular again.
I read though the entire site and on the surface it sounds/feels wonderful, but...as I was reading things were popping out and smacking me and I found I couldn't resonate at all with this...
First she refers to earth's peoples as one race. This bothers me and every time I read it I felt the most discordant feelings. I kept envisioning One World Order.
Then she talks about things like running out of fuel and elevated fuel prices being the norm and that as we run out of fuel the prices will only get higher. She says essentially the same thing about food and running out of food. This is mass misinformation as far as I am concerned. The fuel prices are artificially inflated by you-know-who and what with the unbelievable supply of fossil fuels and the new technologies coming on board, I don't believe it for a minute.
Same for food. Much of the earths people are living in poverty and starving NOT because there isn't enough. Food is being thrown away daily by the tons. Farmers are being paid NOT to grow crops. It is a myth and it's one being perpetuated by the same you-know-who that is throwing around the bs about fuel prices.
Then she goes on to say the world is made up of three kinds of people, the religious, the new age lightworkers and the fence sitters. This is a very spiritually immature person speaking. If she has been receiving these messages for 3 years now, and if they are really from higher lightbeings, then she sure is a slow learner.
I think this is misinformation of the highest order. To me it seems as though the powers that may be and you-know-who I am referring to, have found a way to get into our fields, get under our skins and tweak our ever-lovin' lightworkin' souls. They have found a way to tap our intentions and use them for themselves. Wouldn't it be wonderful for us all to sit around for an hour and join hands and power up the grid for THEM to utilize in a way we have no idea about regarding their agenda.
I am NOT being paranoid here. I went to this site with no judgement and read every word. There is something wrong here. I can't comment about her son and her drowning experience. She didn't put her name or anything on the site as a way to confirm or identify who she is or her experience. In other words, what is her credibility index.
It's so easy for us to be befuddled and gobsmacked (love that word!) over this kind of do-gooder stuff. But it's for each of us to dig down deep inside and find out what is truth for each one of us.
Why the 2007 date? Build the energy, use our energy to power up the grid in anyway they may choose. We know there is a grid and humans did not disconnect from it to find free will. The grid is made to keep us inside and one of the goals of ascension is to rise out of the grid and above it and not allow ourselves to continue to be enslaved by it.
So there you have it. My unpopulare opinion. Take it or leave it. Fortunately for me I am used to uttering unpopular opinions and am not easily swayed or insulted or hurt by being the odd ball. But I feel obligated to speak my truth on this and also because you all are family to me, I feel a sense of need to share with you.
Lili
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Post by Sowelu on Dec 23, 2005 21:43:11 GMT -5
*heehee* I just love you to bits, Liliahnah! And I'll bet you're not near as "unpopular" as you might think. Time will tell, but the word to the wise I get here is "fear is a self-fulfilling prophecy". As is love. Make a choice and worry not. All is well. In the end, All is One... really and truly. And no matter how many might want to thwart that, and no matter how hard they try, it is truth in a way no manipulation can alter, and The One has a plan. It's been in play all along, and nothing is amiss. I know... some could call it blind optimism if they didn't know where I've been... but I know where I've been, and this truth holds firm everywhere. In my experience. At some point it becomes clear that figuring "them" out is a waste of precious energy. It just doesn't matter. I know, I know... just my own two cents... errr... or so. LOL!
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Post by LilliHart on Dec 23, 2005 22:07:47 GMT -5
Snort, snort, I just hate to always have the dissenting opinion. LOL
It's not fear...for me it's irksome to see so many sheeple go down the pike under the guise of 'good-ism' when it is all bs. sigh...
Of course it is all part of the plan. I remember the first time I yelled YAY for GW because he was so instumental in bringing lightworkers out of the shadows and into the work. If the people on THAT chat list coulda, they would have skinned me alive. That was about 4 years ago.
Now everyone thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread because he and his merry band of asshole have helped to unite the ONE and all against HIM and for the great cause. LOL White air bread that is...
And Sowelu, I KNOW you suffer from blind optimism. And I KNOW where you have been. Just kidding...well not really...because I have been in pretty much the same place. And I suffer too from bling optimsim, uh, fling optimism...uh, uh, NO...blind 'timism. :giggle:
Lili
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Post by dutchraven on Dec 24, 2005 11:53:50 GMT -5
HI Liliahnah, Thank you for sharing your opinion on this. I don't know if you read my reaction to the other post Knowthis made with this article, but I could not embrace it as well. The right click wasn't there. And though I read all of it, like you have, I am not that good at remembering details, I just read it all and get a general 'feel'. I do remember some specific thing I opposed to inside though; I have always had a problem with making things happen that concern others, in this case all of humanity. It violates free will in a way that we choose to lay out a grid that would meld us back into some form of collective spirit as I understood it (well I don't think it would even work if not all of the collective are involved, but anyways..) But some collective activity would be cool, we are getting there anyways in my belief, long or shorter road is up to us, but helping the earth in some way like this would be lovely. To intentionally send the earth cosmic energy, if she agrees(not our own energy, thats just non-sense imo, thats on of the first rules I got when becoming a crystal healer, don't send your own energy but channel it) Better yet is to just wise up as a people and stop abusing her.. but we'll have to patient for that, and first change as much as we can personally and inspire others to do so as well, and not go and run about violating other peoples free-will instead.. It's not as easy peasy as an hour of meditation and intent, but for now is probably the best road to take. But I do think what Sowelu said; "ONCE we awaken to many realizations and things... we will naturally WANT to make changes that include restoring the earth to a more abundantly healthy and beautiful place to be again. And if we awaken as a whole, or even a large group... we will manifest that en masse" does hold truth, at least for me it does. It made alot of sense. And thats why I didn't oppose to the whole site (and still love the downloads! lol). The idea, the original thought, the story of the boy that healed, these things do speak to my imagination. And even if this idea itself does not mean anything by itself persé, it is inspirational at least! And I love the "impopular" ideas Lili, they keep us sharp. Love, Dutch Raven
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Post by LilliHart on Dec 24, 2005 23:13:25 GMT -5
Healing the earth is all about healling ourselves. As above so below, as below so above. Hermes Trismegistrus.
Ya know, for me it not about the grid, or the earth or the mother or the father...it's about ME. And I don't mean the little me, the ego me, etc. I mean the BIG MAMA! The I AM ME, ME!
All that I experience is a reflection of who I am, how I perceive myself, what I think about, my beliefs and ideas,yada yada, yoddle.
When I meditate I see the earth as she was in the beginning of the beginning. I remember being here in spirit and helping to seed her and dancing and dancing. I remember entering the 3D physical world for the first time in my first incarnation and I remember before that and how the earth was a reflection of my intention and the others who were intending at the same time. And nothing is changed...that is the irony.
Taking a step or fifty back and seeing the bigger picture it wouldn't take too much to heal the earth at all...just to heal ourselves and she would reflect that. So for me, when I hear about these phantasmagorical ideas to all join hands for an hour and do the hokey pokey I just kindof cringe because it is all outside ourselves...the focus is somewhere outside the source and the source is...well you-know-who!
And then there is the healing of the child and the survival of them both. I asked myself what this was about and here is what myself told me. It was about faith...for her and for us. It was about trust and listening and KNOWINGNESS and making a choice and holding to that choice and committment and not wavering from that KNOWINGNESS for even a second. It was about self empowerment and that woman totally knowing that she could accomplish miracles with the help of her guides and her beliefs and her actions.
And for me THAT was the message of her experience and her son's healing. Not about healing the earth...about reaffirming our own empowerment. The earth has the power to heal herself as we have the power to heal ourselves.
so that is what I got from that expereince and everything else was not quite right for me as with you Dutch Raven.
So charge on great souls. LIke the little train that could and did! Chuckle.
Liliahnah
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Post by dutchraven on Dec 25, 2005 11:16:57 GMT -5
quote: "The earth has the power to heal herself as we have the power to heal ourselves." True, Lili. I was thinking exactly that when I pondered some more... there's a but though, lol, I'll explain.. We are all part of the earth and she is part of us. I agree that when we heal ourselves its only natural that earth goes along with that, or the other way around. It's all so interconnected. But I do like to actively help healing, since I am a healer I guess, lol In some way, it's a calling. Thats what I meant also with the long road or a shorter one. I think that some of us are actually healers to speed it all up a little, not that time really matters, bút... we are wasting alot of time as a race, as a whole, and so we are wasting alot of good energy. We as humanity are already so much aware of the healing thats needed, but there seems to be a big bump in the road. Healing actively means probably to get over that bump more quickly, more easily, tip the balance kind of thing. If I am called to fulfill a role, I would slow things down if I didn't answer that... I fit in the big picture, just like everyone and everything else. We as a being are such postponers.. And even if I don't really think one can run out of time exactly, prolonging things by remaining passive or just focusing on oneself is not the answer either. I don't want to heal without consent, and I don't like healing without cooperation either, but if someone calls on me with sincerity, may it be earth, may it be a person, I will help with all my love to remove some bumps to get the energy flowing easier. We are one, and we will evolve as one, but we are all different kinds of parts, what would my body be without the white bloodcells, what would my body be without my heart.. I am glad my system works together, all the different functions with only one function really, to keep me alive and well as one Love, Dutch Raven
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Post by Nicole on Dec 25, 2005 11:45:14 GMT -5
Interesting discussion. Guess there's a reason I never actually read more on the website
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Post by LilliHart on Dec 25, 2005 22:21:41 GMT -5
Hi Dutch!
"We are all part of the earth and she is part of us. I agree that when we heal ourselves its only natural that earth goes along with that, or the other way around. It's all so interconnected. But I do like to actively help healing, since I am a healer I guess, lol In some way, it's a calling. "
Hmmmmmm! Well, I have had the calling to be a healer too for the last 35 years...but I woke up one day and realized that I cannot heal anyone or anything...besides yours truly. And with that I decided to stop actively attempting to do any healing at all. I became aware of the concept of service to self...and not in the negative, self -centered way some folks speak of this.
I have discovered that serving self serves the greater whole, all in good time and all in the kindest and most effective manner. When I honor my own needs and deeds I am doing the greatest healing of all.
"Thats what I meant also with the long road or a shorter one. I think that some of us are actually healers to speed it all up a little, not that time really matters, bút... we are wasting alot of time as a race, as a whole, and so we are wasting alot of good energy. We as humanity are already so much aware of the healing thats needed, but there seems to be a big bump in the road. Healing actively means probably to get over that bump more quickly, more easily, tip the balance kind of thing. "
You know, I recently moved to the tropics, the real tropics. I live on the equator now, not in the USA and not in a country with values or culture like those of the USA. I am learning to deal with culture shock and one of the biggest and most shocking things I am being faced with is the concept of time. Both in a 3D kind of way and in a much bigger picture kind of way.
One thing is that we Yanks, Gringos, North Americans (call us what you will) are consumed with and obsessed with time and accomplishing things in some bizzare construct of what we think is the appropriate amount of time. Where have we gotten this yardstick? We are nuts about time, compuslive and distorted and have some kind of measurement that indicates whether our days are acceptable and whether we have accomplished enough in a single day. Perhaps we had the audacity to remember and delude ourselves that since "god created the earth in 6 days and on the 7th took a rest" that we too must do our creations in record breaking time! but what audacity and what an illusion.
In actuality I have begun to learn that it doesnt' matter two cents how long it takes to do anything. I stopped wearing a watch, stopped worrying about how long and when things get done...or at least I am stopping and stopping the worrying that makes me feel like I am not accomplishing things.
Now I'm spending so much more of my time out of time and in a state of being and not worrying about accomplishing and doing. I just do what I want when I want and things just seem to get done and all is well with me and the world. This sounds like a lot of bull poop but it actually isn't.
"If I am called to fulfill a role, I would slow things down if I didn't answer that... I fit in the big picture, just like everyone and everything else. We as a being are such postponers.. And even if I don't really think one can run out of time exactly, prolonging things by remaining passive or just focusing on oneself is not the answer either. "
I disagree with this...now. So many of us have this inner drive of urgency to DO something NOW. So we just keep doing things and doing things and never really feel that we are finished...never really feel that we have gotten to wherever our goals are. Maybe the goal is to stop doing and stop worry about postpoing things because that implies there is a deadline. There is no deadline and we can stretch time in anyway we see fit.
"I don't want to heal without consent, and I don't like healing without cooperation either,..."
It's very interesting how you have said this. I KNOW what you are implying here, but the ears here what the mouth says. If you stand back and look at what you have actually said here without assuming you know what it means, it is something very different from what you mean.
Literally you have said YOU don't want to heal with out consent...YOU and without whose consent? and YOu dont' want to heal with out cooperation...who's cooperation? And YOU don't want to HEAL without whose consent or whose cooperation? I hope I can express this in email because this is something that needs emphasis of voice and body language.
So I am hearing you say something here very different than what you are implying. So is your head hearing this and your very words are keeping YOU from HEALING without consent or cooperation...I suspect without your consent or cooperation...thus you are attracting others to you, including the woundedness of the earth that need healing and that also don't give their consent in some way or their cooperation...and you continue to see this aspect because of the subtle message you are giving yourself with your words.
Combining this with the concept of not having enough time, urgency to accomplish something and the illusion that things are being postponed, you have essentially 'undone' yourself and your purpose must offer some big frustrations.
This is just my take on it all of course. And I thought you might be interested in see this entire ball of wax from a different perspective. And I may be completely wrong about it.
"but if someone calls on me with sincerity, may it be earth, may it be a person, I will help with all my love to remove some bumps to get the energy flowing easier. "
Being the devil's advocate here...can you really do this? Can you really aid another if you can't give consent and have cooperation, over come the urgency of not having enough time and believing that we are postponers? I suggest some of this is the new age hooey that we have all bought and incorporated into our belief systems.
Please don't get me wrong... I love you and think we have tons in common. But I also see some of this in your writing and feel genuinely charged to bring it to your attention. And ooops, I didn't ask for permission... at least from you... but since I see this reflection in you it's because I see it in me and I have given myself permission and consent to confront it in ME by talking about it to you. LOL
What a twisted web we weave.
Hugs, Lili
We are one, and we will evolve as one, but we are all different kinds of parts, what would my body be without the white bloodcells, what would my body be without my heart.. I am glad my system works together, all the different functions with only one function really, to keep me alive and well as one "
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Post by Edward on Dec 25, 2005 22:43:37 GMT -5
"Now I'm spending so much more of my time out of time and in a state of being and not worrying about accomplishing and doing. I just do what I want when I want and things just seem to get done and all is well with me and the world. This sounds like a lot of bull poop but it actually isn't. " No it isn't "bull poop". Learning to work with out self imposed restrictions placed on by us and those we allow from others is what keeps us from being totally in the moment, or in the NOW. When we can be totally in the NOW, things just flow and happen so effortless and naturally. We we force things to happen and work against constraints of sorts then we hold ourselves back and part of what we are all going through on some level or another is to recognize this and to step more into our own personal power to help heal ourselves and by doing this we affect the greater whole. Service to self like Lili says not of the ego portion is the way to truely heal ourselves and others. This is how we become stronger advocates for service to others. Thanks for Sharing Lili and rock on. Peace, Love and Enlightenment, Ed
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