Post by dutchraven on Dec 26, 2005 6:38:32 GMT -5
wow Lili,
Thats alot to ponder and possibly answer to, lol
Okay I'll just snip it in bits and pieces
I wish we could have a realtime, face to face discussion... that would be alot simpler, lol. But here goes..
I agree we cannot heal others, but we can assist, thats whats being a healer is about for me. I do not think I had this call for nothing you know, it just doesnt sit right with me to not do anything at all with what I have learned. What you are doing right now, having this discussion with me is about healing in a way. You may not do it purposely to heal me, but you are assisting me actively to heal viewpoints, ideas etc
Being a healer as well, that goes a long way, it is a way of life so to speak, it is part of who you are I believe.
And I agree also that serving oneself is neccesary in making the whole harmonious and healed. And forth comes all that you are and meant to share and care for as well.
Serving myself is not denying myself the gift I have to give as well though.
Time is a petpeeve of me. I get annoyed with the amount of time everything takes yes, I get annoyed with all the procrastinating. Theres a difference between what I know and what I feel. I know all will be well whatever time it seems to take, but I feel a great annoyance because the amount of time it takes just doesnt seem appropriate (to me, I might add, to me, lol). I mean just the goals governments set for environmental issues. Like 5% more green energy of this in 2012 or 1% more ecological farming in 2020... I mean this seems just to idiotic to me. They know earth deserves to be treated better, and they don't even take baby steps, they take well... amoebesteps?
It's like big thick sirup some time people take, and I am guilty as well, and however I have gotten more patient and milder in time, the annoyance is still there when I think about these things long enough.
And this : "Now I'm spending so much more of my time out of time and in a state of being and not worrying about accomplishing and doing. I just do what I want when I want and things just seem to get done and all is well with me and the world. This sounds like a lot of bull poop but it actually isn't."
is not bull poop. It's just not a state I find myself in continuously. I have noticed it's truth though, but it's not something thats being supported by the mainstream, and thats the stream I have chosen to float on I guess; Have to go to work on time, have to fit in all bloody appointments with doctors, friends, whatever, visit the store before they close etc etc. I do not particularly like the society I live in, but I doubt I would thrive in the rainforest though <smiles>
I do not feel a continuous call to heal though, yeah myself maybe but nothing aside that most of the time. But if I do feel that call, I'll answer it, thats what I meant. To do my part you know and not play deaf on it.
"I don't want to heal others without their consent, and I don't like aiding them in healing without their cooperation either,..." is that better, lol I forget sometimes that what I think and put down on paper are not exactly the same for others who cannot look into my mind. Very sharp of you to notice.
I have my own consent to heal myself <smiles>, though I have to fight my beliefs to accomplish this healing, I didn't really like myself for a long time and that has wrecked havoc on my system, and now when I choose to heal I am still a bit worried if I ever will, still has to do with selfworth and feeling about what I deserve. There are completely different parts of me I have to make into one, and no I am not schizophrenic, I just mean all the different parts of Self, in my view thats my human self and my spirit self, my soul so to speak, or higher self.. anyways, lol, before I loose myself in translation, you probably know what I mean. Again the difference between knowing and feeling, partially not knowing or denial, whatever one wants to call it.
"Combining this with the concept of not having enough time, urgency to accomplish something and the illusion that things are being postponed, you have essentially 'undone' yourself and your purpose must offer some big frustrations."
I never said we did'nt have enough time though <smiles>
Cause I know we do have,... I am just being impatient I guess. But it does feel like a big wasting, seeing how slow everything goes to change, in the mean time continueing to pollute and kill and well.. and I know they must know better! Yes sorry , it is frustrating.
My purpose doesn't offer big frustrations though. I usually have a very happy go lucky attitude, but that means ignoring those feelings I have, how can I look at it differently? Well sometimes I can, I feel calm peaceful, all accepting and full of trust and compassion... I think about these things and they don't bother me a bit. But other times it makes me frustrated and angry and I want all to see and come along and stop making war, stop wasting a good planet and stop being such ehm.. you know.
me:"but if someone calls on me with sincerity, may it be earth, may it be a person, I will help with all my love to remove some bumps to get the energy flowing easier. "
you:Being the devil's advocate here...can you really do this? Can you really aid another if you can't give consent and have cooperation, over come the urgency of not having enough time and believing that we are postponers? I suggest some of this is the new age hooey that we have all bought and incorporated into our belief systems.
LOL Lili, Yes I can , have done this and will do it again if time comes. I don't think all the beliefs you just summed up are that strong a part of my system. When I helped heal I had the persons consent, I hope I had their cooperation (with cooperation I mean that they are part of the healing, not let me do some magic whoowhoo stuff and think poof I'm there, nothing to do theirselves..) cooperation is not a prequisite for me to try to help, but I like it if people cooperate you know. Hello, it's a teamwork thing! I may fascilitate, they actually do the healing If theres no cooperation, than what? I might add a little energy that feels good, but even if thats okay, I admit I like it more that people actually move forward with the energy received, bút it's their choice and I do not really think about it during or after a healing.
I accept that people are postponers even though I am annoyed by it from time to time. And I don't believe we don't have enough time even though it might feel that way sometimes to me.
What does help is that before I purposely do healingwork I try to get myself in line with my higher Self, and I am far more calm relaxed etc. I just can't be in that state yet all the time everywhere.
"Please don't get me wrong... I love you and think we have tons in common. But I also see some of this in your writing and feel genuinely charged to bring it to your attention. And ooops, I didn't ask for permission... at least from you... but since I see this reflection in you it's because I see it in me and I have given myself permission and consent to confront it in ME by talking about it to you. LOL"
LOL, you make me laugh Lili, love you too. And you have more than my consent you know, right when I've said I liked you views on things, to share ideas to keep us sharp.
I don't think I litterally 'got' everything you said in your post. It seems theres more to the consent part for example. Is it because you believe we áre all One anyways and consent is that new age woowoo?
well, pheew, what a posting sequence
Love,
Dutch Raven
Thats alot to ponder and possibly answer to, lol
Okay I'll just snip it in bits and pieces
I wish we could have a realtime, face to face discussion... that would be alot simpler, lol. But here goes..
I agree we cannot heal others, but we can assist, thats whats being a healer is about for me. I do not think I had this call for nothing you know, it just doesnt sit right with me to not do anything at all with what I have learned. What you are doing right now, having this discussion with me is about healing in a way. You may not do it purposely to heal me, but you are assisting me actively to heal viewpoints, ideas etc
Being a healer as well, that goes a long way, it is a way of life so to speak, it is part of who you are I believe.
And I agree also that serving oneself is neccesary in making the whole harmonious and healed. And forth comes all that you are and meant to share and care for as well.
Serving myself is not denying myself the gift I have to give as well though.
Time is a petpeeve of me. I get annoyed with the amount of time everything takes yes, I get annoyed with all the procrastinating. Theres a difference between what I know and what I feel. I know all will be well whatever time it seems to take, but I feel a great annoyance because the amount of time it takes just doesnt seem appropriate (to me, I might add, to me, lol). I mean just the goals governments set for environmental issues. Like 5% more green energy of this in 2012 or 1% more ecological farming in 2020... I mean this seems just to idiotic to me. They know earth deserves to be treated better, and they don't even take baby steps, they take well... amoebesteps?
It's like big thick sirup some time people take, and I am guilty as well, and however I have gotten more patient and milder in time, the annoyance is still there when I think about these things long enough.
And this : "Now I'm spending so much more of my time out of time and in a state of being and not worrying about accomplishing and doing. I just do what I want when I want and things just seem to get done and all is well with me and the world. This sounds like a lot of bull poop but it actually isn't."
is not bull poop. It's just not a state I find myself in continuously. I have noticed it's truth though, but it's not something thats being supported by the mainstream, and thats the stream I have chosen to float on I guess; Have to go to work on time, have to fit in all bloody appointments with doctors, friends, whatever, visit the store before they close etc etc. I do not particularly like the society I live in, but I doubt I would thrive in the rainforest though <smiles>
I do not feel a continuous call to heal though, yeah myself maybe but nothing aside that most of the time. But if I do feel that call, I'll answer it, thats what I meant. To do my part you know and not play deaf on it.
"I don't want to heal others without their consent, and I don't like aiding them in healing without their cooperation either,..." is that better, lol I forget sometimes that what I think and put down on paper are not exactly the same for others who cannot look into my mind. Very sharp of you to notice.
I have my own consent to heal myself <smiles>, though I have to fight my beliefs to accomplish this healing, I didn't really like myself for a long time and that has wrecked havoc on my system, and now when I choose to heal I am still a bit worried if I ever will, still has to do with selfworth and feeling about what I deserve. There are completely different parts of me I have to make into one, and no I am not schizophrenic, I just mean all the different parts of Self, in my view thats my human self and my spirit self, my soul so to speak, or higher self.. anyways, lol, before I loose myself in translation, you probably know what I mean. Again the difference between knowing and feeling, partially not knowing or denial, whatever one wants to call it.
"Combining this with the concept of not having enough time, urgency to accomplish something and the illusion that things are being postponed, you have essentially 'undone' yourself and your purpose must offer some big frustrations."
I never said we did'nt have enough time though <smiles>
Cause I know we do have,... I am just being impatient I guess. But it does feel like a big wasting, seeing how slow everything goes to change, in the mean time continueing to pollute and kill and well.. and I know they must know better! Yes sorry , it is frustrating.
My purpose doesn't offer big frustrations though. I usually have a very happy go lucky attitude, but that means ignoring those feelings I have, how can I look at it differently? Well sometimes I can, I feel calm peaceful, all accepting and full of trust and compassion... I think about these things and they don't bother me a bit. But other times it makes me frustrated and angry and I want all to see and come along and stop making war, stop wasting a good planet and stop being such ehm.. you know.
me:"but if someone calls on me with sincerity, may it be earth, may it be a person, I will help with all my love to remove some bumps to get the energy flowing easier. "
you:Being the devil's advocate here...can you really do this? Can you really aid another if you can't give consent and have cooperation, over come the urgency of not having enough time and believing that we are postponers? I suggest some of this is the new age hooey that we have all bought and incorporated into our belief systems.
LOL Lili, Yes I can , have done this and will do it again if time comes. I don't think all the beliefs you just summed up are that strong a part of my system. When I helped heal I had the persons consent, I hope I had their cooperation (with cooperation I mean that they are part of the healing, not let me do some magic whoowhoo stuff and think poof I'm there, nothing to do theirselves..) cooperation is not a prequisite for me to try to help, but I like it if people cooperate you know. Hello, it's a teamwork thing! I may fascilitate, they actually do the healing
If theres no cooperation, than what? I might add a little energy that feels good, but even if thats okay, I admit I like it more that people actually move forward with the energy received, bút it's their choice and I do not really think about it during or after a healing. I accept that people are postponers even though I am annoyed by it from time to time. And I don't believe we don't have enough time even though it might feel that way sometimes to me.
What does help is that before I purposely do healingwork I try to get myself in line with my higher Self, and I am far more calm relaxed etc. I just can't be in that state yet all the time everywhere.
"Please don't get me wrong... I love you and think we have tons in common. But I also see some of this in your writing and feel genuinely charged to bring it to your attention. And ooops, I didn't ask for permission... at least from you... but since I see this reflection in you it's because I see it in me and I have given myself permission and consent to confront it in ME by talking about it to you. LOL"
LOL, you make me laugh Lili, love you too. And you have more than my consent you know, right when I've said I liked you views on things, to share ideas to keep us sharp.
I don't think I litterally 'got' everything you said in your post. It seems theres more to the consent part for example. Is it because you believe we áre all One anyways and consent is that new age woowoo?
well, pheew, what a posting sequence
Love,
Dutch Raven
