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Post by Nemue on Dec 12, 2005 5:45:35 GMT -5
This is a very different type of message for this forum but I think if you read this story you will agree that Stanley Williams can make a difference to this world. He already has done a lot of good and he could do so mcuh more. He should be given a chance. He should not be put to death. We have been fighting for Stanley for months. Time is running out. We really need your support. www.demaction.org/dia/organizations/ncadp/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=1592 |
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Post by tiamat on Dec 12, 2005 12:12:29 GMT -5
Personaly i am in favor of the death penalty for capital crimes, and would support a return of it to the UK. But I also agree that where someone has reformed so dramatically and are making a contribution to society from prison, they may be considered for a indefinate suspension of the final penalty. I would also wonder though, if some inmates that are on death row, would have been so repentant, and become reformed, had they not been under sentance of death in the first place.  |
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Post by Nemue on Dec 12, 2005 15:30:58 GMT -5
Mike, this is a really difficult call you know. That said, however if we truly believe that all life has a value then we need to respect that life regardless. This man in particular can do so much good in helping to heal the divide in this world. A world that is sadly fractured. His death serves no purpose (at this time) other than revenge.
Compassion in all things.
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Post by ADMIN on Dec 12, 2005 15:45:48 GMT -5
I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE CAN BE REFORMED AND EXECUTING THEM IS NOT THE ANSWER.
WHAT IS QUESTON IS HOW CAN THIS PERSON BE BUT TO DEATH IF HE IS INNOCENT, WHAT ARE THE PROOFS THAT MAKE HIM GUILTY.
MAYBE THERE IS A VIDEO OF HIM COMMITTING THE CRIMES?
LATELY I SEE EXECUTION ONTHE RISE. SOME STATES ARE IMPLEMENTING THIS MODE NOW.
ALSO MAYBE HIS DEATH WILL OPEN PEOPLES EYES THAT CRIMINALS CAN CHANGE AND START A NEW LIFE.
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Post by tiamat on Dec 12, 2005 15:56:12 GMT -5
Hi Kate I hear ya, but don't feel it's about revenge. After some 20 odd years, that can't be it. If it was about revenge, he would have been put to death within the first few years. All life should be respected, i agree. But that respect has to come from everyone. It's why there must be consequences to your actions. If there are no boundries set, then we lose control. It is the laws that provide us with our freedoms and liberty, and there has to be consequences if they are broken. I agree that all life has a value, and it sounds as though by being inside all these years, he has made much more of his life than he may have done if he wasn't arrested in the first place. Maybe not, but thats what i feel.  |
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Post by Nemue on Dec 12, 2005 19:24:28 GMT -5
We are too late anyway. Stanley's final appeal has been denied. The sad thing is that it is about politics more than anything else. May his death not be in vain and the positive legacy he left remembered and that others continue with the work he started. I feel very, very sad about this.  |
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Post by Sowelu on Dec 12, 2005 19:36:07 GMT -5
(((((Hugs!)))))) Nemue! He's already touched a great many, and that can't be erased. Remember too... we're eternal. Physical passing is for this world's impact. His soul has acheived a great deal in this life, and that is everlasting. Love, Sowelu |
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Post by destra on Dec 13, 2005 11:59:11 GMT -5
I used to be a supporter of capital punishment. Used to... until I got back in touch with my Spirit. Then it became abundantly clear to me that it is neither necessary nor does it need to be an option.
Who among us has the right to take a life? Does "tit for tat" really equal things out and make it right?
I personally want to see Stanley pardoned, but The Terminator has not stepped up yet....
My blessings and love to him and his higher Self.
Much Love,
Destra
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Post by LilliHart on Dec 13, 2005 18:02:21 GMT -5
Although this is very sad at the human level if one allows themselves to be attached emotionally, what about looking at this from a grander perpsective. Hard to do with that darned emotion, I know but just for the heck of it let's.
For one thing would this man have even contributed one tiny bit to healing society if he hadn't been in prison? We will never know.
His pre-life agreement was most likely the very one that was played out here. To bring this kind of peace and healing to so many it was necessary for him to be in a place that was so paradoxically opposite to the message he brought. It was his life plan he played out.
Would he have been able to do more had he lived longer, who knows. But NOW, ahhhh now he is an example, something of a martyr and he has not died in vain at all. He has lived in glory and in the memory of so many.
And his teachings will reach far and wide and to people that might never every have batted an eyelid at those concepts, like the Crips and Bloods who chose peace over violence. And the further outcome on and on is that those people and many others will pass it on and pay it forward to their friends and others who will learn from the man's teachings.
It's not time for sadness...well may a little but for celebrating this man's life and contributions. It's all part of the plan and even the executioner in this case volunteered to be a part of this story. Think about it.
Liliahnah
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Post by destra on Dec 13, 2005 18:31:10 GMT -5
He killed 4 people (that are documented) and was put to death today. He was made an example of.
A very poor example.
There are those who come into this world to play the role of the villain. And there are those who play the role of the hero. And then everyone else just treads in between. He played a villain, and as time moves on will prove to be a very valuable cog in the wheels of change in the USA. This kind of senseless killing can't and should not go on! An eye for an eye is NOT the way to live in the new world.
My blessings to his soul. For the karma you have resolved, for the horrible things you did, and for being a child of God - as we all ARE.
Much Love,
Destra
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Post by tiamat on Dec 14, 2005 13:12:33 GMT -5
I wonder if the families and loved ones of those killed by this person had anything to say about his execution? Can they now put this behind them and move on in this life, or maybe they are bitter at how long justice has been in coming?
Or perhaps they are aware of the beliefs of some that we are all here playing out roles and that thier loved ones had agreed to play the parts they did, so everything is ok, in the All That Is?
Unfortunately i knew nor heard of any of them, or the sentanced man, untill a few days ago. I wish all involved the best, and hope/trust, that great lessons were learned by all.
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Post by LilliHart on Dec 14, 2005 16:28:19 GMT -5
It's interesting to speculate. I know I love to have my opionion and I always enjoy taking the side of the protagonist and also looking at the BIG picture. I have often wondered how I would FEEL if one of the players was someone close to me, a family member or friend. I don't even want to specualte on that because I have no idea how I would feel...except I think I'd feel pretty bad. I MIGHT be able to see it from the perspective of the big picture, perhaps after a while but I also think I would be the loudest and nastiest of mourners were it my child or loved one murdered or worse, one of mine was the perpetrator.
Attachment to the physcial is so damned seductive and enthralling. It's so very difficult to step back and really let go of the physical rapture and allow for the big picture to really become part of the deepest inner concept.
Just my two cents.
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