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Post by destra on Feb 1, 2006 10:58:37 GMT -5
Thanks for that Angel Heart!! Yes, i've never really done that equation but it makes sense to me. I lust for cigs as much as my body lusts for the nicoteen. How would one go about removing the lust?  |
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Post by Sowelu on Feb 1, 2006 11:42:34 GMT -5
(((Hiya D'est Ra!)))
I guess the first thing I'd ask is why you want to remove something from your life that you enjoy so much? It's important we understand our truest motivations in any endeavor, so that we're working with the real energetic issues. There's obviously resistance to this intent of yours, or it would go smoothly. Especially now that our ability to manifest has increased so much.
If the choice to smoke stems from a higher level than the human aspect, it will be very difficult to stop, it seems to me. And many lightbeings opted for smoking in this incarnation for a variety of reasons. If this were the case for you, smoking would not be a detrimental health matter, it would only be ruled by your desire. In other words, fearing it's negative health impact would not be a "good enough" cause to quit, because it's placing fear over the love that made the choice to begin with.
If it is, indeed, something that would be best eliminated from your human repertoire, then the lust is in question. But I don't personally think "lust" is always the cause for such activities. If it is lust, and the cigarettes truly need to go, there's likely fear, then, underlying the lust that needs to be revealed. We obsessively go for something we don't consciously want or need when we fear the alternative. Even if the alternative is just the unknown. We're using that thing as a substitute for facing our fear, in a reactionary way.
Just some ideas...
Love you!
Sowelu
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Post by destra on Feb 1, 2006 12:20:01 GMT -5
I love smoking.
However I am not one of the people here who believes smoking does not hurt you if you believe it won't. I am not at a point in my ascension where I believe I can safely ingest over 200 chemicals. I just fail to see it. I know many here (have seen the discussions in the past) believe smoking is not bad for you.
I believe it is bad for me. So I have to quit before I subconsciously manifest illness. I believe I could become ill - so before that happens I have to work this out, you know?
Plus it costs too much money, i'm sick of stinking like an ashtray, i'm tired of hearing my daughter and husband cough when they get a whiff of it.
Despite what y'all say and believe, i'm entitled to my belief - and my belief is that Smoking cigarettes IS bad for you - no matter who you are.
I never saw Ghandi smoking. Didn't see the Dalai Lama smoking. In fact most highly enlightened folks i've seen or met don't smoke.
If it is a grounding tool while we ascend, then there must be a point we reach when we no longer need to "rely" upon its properties, and take up the personal responsibility to ground without its use.
Anyways - enough of my ranting! lol
I appreciate everyone elses points of view. But from where i'm sitting - I need to quit. Now I just have to figure out how to make myself WANT to!
Much Love,
D.
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Post by Cherubtree on Feb 1, 2006 13:07:20 GMT -5
Dear Destra:
Thats how I feel about chocolate.. and fat..it helps me ground...lol. I know what you are going through...giving up what we love is so difficult..especially if we believe it is hurting us.
Much Love,
Spirit
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Post by Sowelu on Feb 1, 2006 13:13:46 GMT -5
Whoa... I wasn't knocking your belief, not that I knew you had one around it.
The one time I quit completely successfully I did it with the help of Spirit. I determined that cigarettes were not what I wanted, they were holding me back and I truly felt they would not take me where I wanted to go in life.
With that decision clear as can be in me (through much tears, because I also really enjoyed smoking), I then asked for the full support of Spirit to remove the desire from me.
That's all it took. I did my part by appealing to my highest self if a desire crept in, and in those two or three times one did, with a simple reaffirmation of my choice, the mild craving disappeared once again. It was not arduous. It was not wrenching. It was about as effortless as anything in this world could be. The point there being that when we truly decide for ourselves, and enlist Spirit to support us... it's effortless.
Within hours of truly quitting, I sat in the cab of a truck and drove 800 miles with a smoker at the helm, and not once did I want a cigarette. Nor was I bothered by his smoking. I simply... was not a smoker. It had nothing to do with me.
So some might ask why it is that I smoke today. They might assume that I didn't really quit so successfully if I smoke today. Not true. I consciously decided to smoke again with the same conviction I used to quit. I preferred being in this world as a smoker to being in this world without smoking, plain and simple. I didn't know that, however, until I truly and completely quit. With a real alternative to compare with, I made a new decision to smoke again.
All is just what it is. It only has the power we give it, and we have tons and tons and tons of support for our choices, if we just work with it.
Blessings to you in this endeavor, D'est Ra! ((((Hugs!))))
Love you!
Sowelu
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Post by destra on Feb 1, 2006 15:59:48 GMT -5
Whoa... I wasn't knocking your belief, not that I knew you had one around it. Sorry Sowy didn't mean to sound defensive in my post, I just remembered a conversation I saw here over a year ago probably, where there was a lot of passionate back and forthing going on over smoking pro vs. cons. I just needed to make it clear that while I do believe I create my own reality, i'm not quite ready on a deep inner level to accept cigarettes as healthy. I was raised to believe they kill. I've canvased for the CCS (Canadian Cancer Society) i've lost relatives to various types of cancer. Its a fear for me. And in that I have to either explore and accept my fear or try to remove it. The only way I can personally see for me to remove it is to quit. And that brings me back to square one! lol See thats what I want Sowelu, to feel the absolute determination of spirit to know that what i'm doing is now, forever. I don't want to keep hurting myself, my husband, and my daughter with these attempts at quitting. I know it is like dangling a carrot in front of a rabbit and yanking it away before he gets to taste it - i feel very responsible to everyone around me every time I try and fail. But if I had no child... I don't know if i'd be so heartfelt about trying to quit... So much to work out inside of me. Sorry for spilling my frustration and panic out in this thread about it. But... I know you understand *Hugs Sowy* And Cherub... if i could give up smoking and eat chocolate in its place, healthily, I so would never smoke again! lol Love, Destra |
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Post by Sowelu on Feb 1, 2006 16:30:21 GMT -5
((((Hugs!!))))  Never, ever would I have issue with you expressing what you need to, D'est Ra. (((Super hugs!))) And fully supporting yourself in your beliefs is also something I fully support! And in fact I love that you did dare to express yourself firmly here. It's important. What you feel and want for yourself is important! Always! ((((((Bless you!)))))) Tons of love, Sowelu |
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Post by destra on Feb 1, 2006 19:36:18 GMT -5
You're such a sweetheart Sowelu I hope you feel my cyber hugs, I send all my love in them!!  Goodness knows I feel yours  Thanks for being such an open and loving spirit!!! *Power embraces from Hugzilla* Love you! D. |
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Post by Sowelu on Feb 1, 2006 19:53:03 GMT -5
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Post by AgeA on Feb 1, 2006 21:26:26 GMT -5
D'est Ra smoking is not bad if your body knows how to process it. You know that essentially all things are made of 'light'. Nicotine just happens to be a very conductive substance and will reflect back at you what you feel and it is not harmful by itself.
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Post by Nicole on Feb 2, 2006 10:00:59 GMT -5
I love cokes like you describe smoking Destra. I'm the same - how can all of that sugar be good for me? But I truly joy in drinking a good cold coke! There's nothing better, and they do help me get through stress (like at work or studying or something). I realize that's a mental crutch, but it's about the only one I have so I guess I'm not doing too bad.
The only reason I detest smoking is because I hate how it smells. I don't like the ashes either, but I don't like fireplace smell and ashes either.
I am with Sowelu - do what brings you joy.
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Post by destra on Feb 2, 2006 10:42:19 GMT -5
Ugh don't get me started on coke... another weakness lol!  Thank you all for your perspectives on addiction here, perhaps a bigger thread is needed to house it all. I appreciate everyones light, it opens my own mind a bit! And when my mind opens, my heart feels free to expand too. Love you all! D. |
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Post by sama on Feb 2, 2006 13:58:19 GMT -5
oh how i can relate to all said here! i have come to the conclusion today that i shall never be likely to be a nonsmoker. much as my family would like that! i enjoy it, my body enjoys it, my mind enjoys it, and i am addicted to the flaming things.
i dont drink, and i no longer go out with strange men, so smoking is my only vice. ho hum.
sama
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Post by destra on Feb 2, 2006 17:37:19 GMT -5
Strange men can be such a joy though Sama!! lol You never did confirm or deny - new digs this month? Are you truly going to be in your own space? |
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Post by sama on Feb 2, 2006 17:39:57 GMT -5
YES!! the mortgage came through, and i should be moving this month! YAYAYAYAYAY!!
sama
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Goodness knows I feel yours 
