Post by Sowelu on Mar 13, 2006 17:32:50 GMT -5
 
 
THE TOBIAS MATERIALS
The Clarity Series: "SHOUD 8" - Featuring Tobias, channeled by Geoffrey Hoppe
Questions and Answers
Presented to the Crimson Circle
March 4, 2006[/b]
www.crimsoncircle.com
And so it is, Shaumbra, we continue the energy of this day, of our gathering where we have been talking about disconnecting, letting go of the old ways of gathering energy, letting go of how you have been relating to everything else. Disconnecting so you can turn on that internal source within yourself, that pure clean energy source that fully sustains you so that you never have to go outside for any of your energetic needs. This is the level of fulfillment, completion that you have always had a desire for. It is happening now, in this lifetime, this precious lifetime of yours.
One of the things that makes it difficult to disconnect is expectations. Expectations tend to have their genesis in the Near realms and the human conditions. You have certain expectations for how your body should be, how much health and wealth you should have. Expectations about how other people should interact with you. Expectations even of Spirit and the angels. So you are heavy with all types of expectations, which in themselves are a limitation. Your expectations tend to limit the nature of the outcome of your creative expression.
Shaumbra all over the world right now are beginning to realize what it is like to have this full manifestation without the old expectations, and what they are finding was that the old expectations were very, very, very limited. Things they could have never possibly have imagined before are now coming into their reality because they have let go of the expectations.
So, with that, we would be delighted to take your questions this day and find out what your level of expectations are. (Laughter)
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 1 (from the Internet, read by Linda): After going through the DreamWalker School, I find myself with a lingering question where I would like to know if I were to DreamWalk myself across the Bridge of Flowers, then leave this body behind, would that promote my ascension process or would it hinder it? Or do I need to remain in this physical body in order to complete my ascension? If leaving this way is a possibility, would I be able to return to the physical right away going to the rebirthing process and come back as a pure energy enlightened Being by just walking into a body of my choosing? Would I have the abilities that Saint-Germain has where he could walk in and out of physical form at will and also sustain myself, if I stayed for long periods of time by turning other materials into gold at will? (Audience laughter and Tobias chuckling.)
LINDA: That wasn’t funny!
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 2 (a woman at the microphone): Okay, first off, hello Tobias. It’s nice to see you and Geoffrey again.
I have become very aware of the fact that I am a phantom being of light in a human body and I would like to know what my connection to Gaia is and also what my sudden fascination is in the geometric design that’s in the center of the Star of David, which is a six-sided – I don’t know if you call it a hexagon ...
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THE TOBIAS MATERIALS
The Clarity Series: "SHOUD 8" - Featuring Tobias, channeled by Geoffrey Hoppe
Questions and Answers
Presented to the Crimson Circle
March 4, 2006[/b]
www.crimsoncircle.com
And so it is, Shaumbra, we continue the energy of this day, of our gathering where we have been talking about disconnecting, letting go of the old ways of gathering energy, letting go of how you have been relating to everything else. Disconnecting so you can turn on that internal source within yourself, that pure clean energy source that fully sustains you so that you never have to go outside for any of your energetic needs. This is the level of fulfillment, completion that you have always had a desire for. It is happening now, in this lifetime, this precious lifetime of yours.
One of the things that makes it difficult to disconnect is expectations. Expectations tend to have their genesis in the Near realms and the human conditions. You have certain expectations for how your body should be, how much health and wealth you should have. Expectations about how other people should interact with you. Expectations even of Spirit and the angels. So you are heavy with all types of expectations, which in themselves are a limitation. Your expectations tend to limit the nature of the outcome of your creative expression.
Shaumbra all over the world right now are beginning to realize what it is like to have this full manifestation without the old expectations, and what they are finding was that the old expectations were very, very, very limited. Things they could have never possibly have imagined before are now coming into their reality because they have let go of the expectations.
So, with that, we would be delighted to take your questions this day and find out what your level of expectations are. (Laughter)
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 1 (from the Internet, read by Linda): After going through the DreamWalker School, I find myself with a lingering question where I would like to know if I were to DreamWalk myself across the Bridge of Flowers, then leave this body behind, would that promote my ascension process or would it hinder it? Or do I need to remain in this physical body in order to complete my ascension? If leaving this way is a possibility, would I be able to return to the physical right away going to the rebirthing process and come back as a pure energy enlightened Being by just walking into a body of my choosing? Would I have the abilities that Saint-Germain has where he could walk in and out of physical form at will and also sustain myself, if I stayed for long periods of time by turning other materials into gold at will? (Audience laughter and Tobias chuckling.)
LINDA: That wasn’t funny!
TOBIAS: Indeed there are many delightful aspects to this question, and what you are asking here is if indeed you can do what Saint-Germain has done: Choose the timing of your own physical death; walk out of your body; leave the body remains for Earth; walk out of your body and find your way to the Bridge of Flowers.LINDA: Does that explain his bad mood? (laughter from Tobias and the audience)
Indeed that is possible, however it is always nice to have somebody take a walk with you, not to tell you how to get there but simply to help you go on this journey. However, if you choose to do it yourself, especially after going through the DreamWalker School, you’re going to remember the path of the Anasazi. You’re going to remember the ease of getting to the Bridge of Flowers. You’re going to remember how easy it is, once you leave behind your physical body, to not get caught up in all of the drama and the connections from Earth, and to make your way very quickly to the Bridge of Flowers where you’ll be met by your angel friends and family.
Now, once you are there, the question will remain for you; what do you choose to do now? Do you choose to go on to the New Earth or do you choose to go back to the Old Earth? Or do you choose to, in the manner of Saint-Germain, be able to traverse across the many, many different dimensions back and forth between physical, nonphysical and the highest realms. That would be of your choosing.
However, when Saint-Germain manifests on Earth right now he indeed does not go through a birthing process. He considers it very, very difficult. So he simply allows himself to manifest in matter for a very short period of time, but almost something akin to a – how to say – comic book series, he can only maintain his presence in physical matter for a limited amount of time. Several days are comfortable for him, but going past about four or five days is going to tend to drain him heavily and then he would find himself being – how to say – caught in the whole cycle of being rebirthed, literally, into a physical body. So he can only maintain that energy for a certain amount of time.
If he was asked the question - and if he gave you a very open answer - it would be that even though he was able to manifest for brief periods of time in physical matter, because he is not totally embodied in it as you, are he is not able to truly enjoy things to the extent that you are, such as food, such as physical sex and such as some of the other finer things in life. But that is fine with him because he can move in and out very freely where he considers you to be quite trapped.
TOBIAS: He is actually... I have to say, Saint-Germain is indeed my best friend so you have to be careful what you say!LINDA: That question really begs that if the answer that you just gave is so, why shouldn’t we all just Dreamwalk ourselves across the bridge and what’s the point in staying?
Saint-Germain loves playing different roles. He adapts different characters depending on the audience. He will often come to Shaumbra as being – how to say – quite regal, and some would call arrogant, because he is trying to give you a little bit of shock value to get you out of the lull or the comfort level that you’re in. But he actually is one of the sweetest and dearest beings and he has a heart of gold. He did not create it from rocks. (Laughter) He has a true heart of gold with such tremendous compassion for humans, particularly those humans who are desiring to go through a process that he went through; how to liberate yourself and how to discover what the true nature of God and Spirit is in you.
So we have long, long talks. We sometimes assume what you would call the “good cop/bad cop” or good angel/bad angel role in dealing with you, and he takes great delight! He always wants to be bad angel! (Laughter) But I look at – how to say – the ratings or the surveys (laughter) ... Cauldre ... and I find him to be very, very popular, perhaps more popular than even I, Tobias. But none would surpass Kuthumi.
TOBIAS: That is a question only you can answer. I cannot answer that for any one of you. Sometimes we do ask that of ourself, “Why are they staying?” (Lots of laughter) And I will give you the true answer, and it’s coming to me right now from our dear friend Rapha: Because you’re afraid to die.LINDA: I don’t think so.
TOBIAS: If you weren’t afraid to die – we’re not talking to everyone here – but if you weren’t afraid to die, you’d be more tempted to leave. The real issue is, right now, you have such a sense of determination to go through this process that started many, many lifetimes ago. Some of you have invested hundreds, thousands of lifetimes into this process. So when I said today that this is THE lifetime, well you wouldn’t want to just pick up and leave right now without completing that cycle so you can move to the next one.LINDA: That’s interesting, knowing you’re choosing to come back.
But truly, sometimes we look at humans in general. They are miserable, unhappy. They are broke. They are stuck and lost, and we say “Why are they choosing to stay on Earth?” And for many of them it is because they are afraid of death, they don’t any know better and they don’t even know that they can choose to live or die. What a great revelation it would be for so many of the human race right now to understand you DO have a choice in life and death. If you’re going to live – choose to live. If you’re going to die, get out of the body quickly.
TOBIAS: I have my reasons for wanting to come back. One of them, indeed, is there are going to be... sorry here... (laughter) One of these very reasons is there are going to continue to be waves and waves of humans coming through what you, Shaumbra, have been through... coming through the ascension process, coming through the true spiritual awakening, letting go of the grips of fear and mass consciousness and Old Energy ideas, and they are going to need teachers. And, quite frankly, for what I was given by so many others, I feel it would give me such joy to help give that back, even embodied in human form because sometimes, sad to say, humans don’t believe that the angels can talk so we have to come in in this different way.LINDA: Thank you.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 2 (a woman at the microphone): Okay, first off, hello Tobias. It’s nice to see you and Geoffrey again.
TOBIAS: I am in Geoffrey right now!SHAUMBRA 2: Yeah you are in Geoffrey right now! And I would like to thank you and Rapha for such wonderful bedside manner, because I’ve called on you a lot lately.
I have become very aware of the fact that I am a phantom being of light in a human body and I would like to know what my connection to Gaia is and also what my sudden fascination is in the geometric design that’s in the center of the Star of David, which is a six-sided – I don’t know if you call it a hexagon ...
TOBIAS: Indeed, first of all, we’re going to ask you to define “phantom being” – what you mean “phantom light being.”SHAUMBRA 2: Almost behind the scenes, almost invisible, just not – I don’t know... kind of phantom like you would find in a crystal, kind of in be ...
TOBIAS: Indeed, such as a ghost or shadow ...SHAUMBRA 2: Yes.
TOBIAS: ... and what is happening is you are literally becoming a shadow of yourself. Again, we go back to the expectations that you’ve had in your lifetime – what you thought you were going to be – and that is fading away right now. Particularly as you personally, just now, are beginning the process of disconnecting, the old self truly begins to fade away. Even things like your memory begin to go, and it’s not because you’re getting older or more senile, but because you are disconnecting from things around you. So in a sense you are a shadow, but I’m going to ask you to look at the energy and how you frame this to yourself. You are simply going through a re – how to say – a re energizing process, a make-over process in yourself. But you’re making over from a human type of definition into a definition that we don’t even want to put words onto. So you are making grand changes right now going through all that.SHAUMBRA 2: The center part of it.
You asked about the fascination with the Star of David...
TOBIAS: Indeed, the center part is the intersection or the union, and what this has to do with primarily is the melding back together of your masculine and feminine aspects.SHAUMBRA 2: Okay.
TOBIAS: The re uniting.You have separated those for quite a long time. As a matter of fact, you literally ... how honest do you want us to be here?SHAUMBRA 2: Go for it! I’m standing here!
TOBIAS: You have done a very interesting job... and we’re looking at your energy now... of separating yourself in many different ways. Your masculine/feminine – you’ve kept them very, very separate and almost existing within you are, what you'd almost call, the husband and the wife aspects. And typical of many husbands and wives, you let them fight with each other all the time without allowing any resolution. But you’ve also created a distinct line with children within yourself, a parent within yourself.SHAUMBRA 2: Okay.
Now obviously these are all aspects of any humans, but you have created such separation. You have created very distinctive personalities and, in a sense, they are all wanting your attention now. They are all trying to feed off of you. They're all exhausting you right now, but they are all you. But you’ve given them such – how to say – strict definition. You’ve split yourself very effectively, and right now is a time of bringing that all back together. Again, the fascination for the union part that you see in the Star of David.
TOBIAS: You played such an incredible game it's going to be... could be a bit of a challenge to bring the pieces together. You may want to work with an outside facilitator who understands how you have split yourself up like this. You have parts of yourself that are existing in the Near realms that are wandering and literally crying... that’s why you hear crying so often... and you’ve become a wonderful multiple personality.SHAUMBRA 2: And what about the connection to Mother Earth?
There’s nothing wrong with this other than... I mean it is great to have stories, it is great to play games, but you always have to remember who is the creator. You’ve given these aspects of yourself so much control and so much power that they’re fooling you about who they are and about why they are there, and they are literally draining you. They have you at a point where you can hardly support yourself, where it’s affecting your body, where you’re at the lowest of the low point in this lifetime – this precious, precious lifetime. You’ve allowed yourself, or these aspects of yourself, to now rule your kingdom for you.
It is up to you – the center, core part of you, the soul part of you – to take claim back over your own kingdom. To stop letting these other parts and pieces drive you crazy. And they have a game, they play with each other. Sometimes they recognize each other and sometimes they don’t, but when they recognize each other they have a game: how do we drive her crazy today. They don’t want to necessarily let you see clearly. But you can. You can as easily as you and I are talking right now.
So it’s up to you. You have to call an end to the game, you have to take dominion back over yourself, and you have to let these other parts and pieces know they either have to integrate or be gone forever. It’s not a mental game. It’s not something you’re going to do in your mind. That’s why we say you may need or want a facilitator to help you to understand how you can easily re unite all these pieces.
Then you’re going to see the new you emerge. All these problems with finance and relationships and health, which you are experiencing in – how to say –multiplicity right now, is going to go away. But right now you’re in a situation like I was in, you’re in the bottom of the hole trying to free yourself by digging yourself in deeper. So...
TOBIAS: The connection to Mother Earth is a natural balancing force, as we discussed earlier in the Shoud today. If you go off by yourself and leave all your other parts and pieces and aspects away, but by yourself, the rejuvenating – the beautiful energies of Gaia – will help support you in taking back yourself. But don’t take all of your children and your spouses and your parents and all of these other aspects of yourself with you. Go by yourself. Gaia is sending you a message that She will be there to assist with this process.SHAUMBRA 2: Thank you.
TOBIAS: Indeed, thank you for letting us be honest.QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 3 (Linda speaking): Tobias, there were a number of people from different European countries basically asking the same question. I’m assuming it’s because there’s been so much more discovered in Europe, but the question is: What can we as Shaumbra do about this bird flu that is spreading all over the world? And there were, like I said, a number of people from different European countries that asked the same question.
TOBIAS: Indeed. Indeed, any time there is a grand change of consciousness taking place on Earth you are most likely going to see a grand change in physical things taking place. A virus is there to help with the consciousness shift and sometimes, while you say, “But why does it have to be done in such a harmful way,” it is because sometimes it is the only way to get the attention. So it is actually serving an appropriate need, it is helping to clear Old Energies.QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 4 (from the Internet, read by Linda): Several weeks ago I had a personal visit from the goddess Durga. She appeared life size, about ten feet in front of me. She had a profound effect on me. She began rotating her eight arms. All of her eight hands were empty. She held none of her usual weapons. I ask what is the significance of this visit with the goddess Durga? Thank you.
And more than anything, for Shaumbra, you do not personally have to be affected by this virus. If your desire is to go through your own processes of change, and if your desire is to stay here on Earth right now, this virus simply will not affect you. Now, if you go out searching for it, trying to test the concept, it may backfire on you. But right now, we’d have to say the greatest thing is to understand that this virus is serving consciousness. and stand behind the short wall during this process. You do not have to let it affect you personally.
TOBIAS: Indeed. So often these visions that you have are projections of something within you. So in this case you’re going to have to go in and take a look at what part of the goddess is also part of you? Why are the hands empty? What has been the significance of this goddess in your life and why would this energy appear to you right now?QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 5 (from the Internet, read by Linda): Are there any reasons why I won’t allow myself to be who I absolutely and truly am yet, but instead keep on choosing the same experience of falling for the illusion of being limited?
It is - how to say - we’re not trying to evade the question here, but it is more important that you go in personally – it is more important for Shaumbra in general – always to look at how, if it is a dream, how do the different symbols or even people in a dream represent parts of you? How does the goddess Durga represent parts of you right now?
Once you discover the simplicity of the symbolism and generally, as a default, how it relates to you, you’re going to understand this whole new type of language that goes beyond words. So, we’re going to ask you to go inside, take a look at the significance with the goddess and you, and then we would love to hear the answer that you have.
TOBIAS: Indeed it is a very, very heavy overlay to have this illusion of being limited, and everything in your reality right now helps to reinforce that. Everything says that you are limited in your ability, whether it is to make money or to have intelligence or insight. So, you’re simply falling into a very old trap of overlays.
We’re going to perhaps – how to say – oversimplify it, but first of all it is about making a choice that you’re going to go beyond, that you don’t want to have these old connections any more that are keeping you limited. You want to move beyond some of the fear that’s going to try to keep you back in your limited state of being. And one of the easiest, actually, things you could do is to continue to breathe. That helps move the energies through. We know at times Shaumbra says that we oversimplify the answer, but if you would talk to Kuthumi about how he moved into his independence, it was simply being off on his own and breathing. He simply breathed through the old connections and limitations. Thank you.
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