[quote author=ed board=Emotional thread=1146955212 post=11470391
May 5, 2006, 8:31pm, sunquest wrote:
I think it takes courage and committment for Lili to take the time and devote the energy to address Sama in the fashion in which she responded.
Some people are just hard headed and don't learn quickly and it takes a lot of guts for another person to jump in and speak honestly and forcefully about the problem
Good for you Lili and keep roaring. It's refreshing.
sunquest
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Yes, indeed. "HONESTY" about who one IS and where they are coming from indeed takes guts.
It is also important for one to be up front about where they are coming from, from every "ASPECT" of the situation, so that no misunderstandings come out of it. I believe what Lili had tried to accomplish was coming from a loving point of view of trying to show sama something she was not seeing. Though I have to say and I agree with what liza said in that what works for one may not work for the other. This may or may not be the case with sama but she is now have since left us and there looks like to be no resolution for both sides. When in fact this started out to be a sama issues then it became a Lili issue which she was trying to rectify sama's situation with baptism by fire. Though I don't totally agree in manner of what Lili all did. I do agree that the situation had to unfold one way or the other. Did one step over the line? Perhaps, perhaps not. Where does one draw the line where one have crossed over?
Peace, Love and Joy,
Ed[/quote]
LOL, You beat me to it Ed. I was coming over here to paste in your respose.
Here are some thoughts I have had about all of this. May not always be coherent.
In our community...the "New Age" community there are a lot of expectations and illusions by the members of a certain way one is 'supposed' to behave. As healers, mystics, shamans, lightworkers, etc. we are expected to behave as though the source of light always shines through us and illuminates any situation in which we participate...and in essence it does. But not always in the manner in which is expected.
But also we are expected to do this thing which has always bothered me...that thing is to always be warm and fuzzy, fluffy and sweet and loving...
So what does loving entail?
I don't know about many of you on the board, but I know for me at age 55 I have been involved in raising two kids, a divorce and a multitude of other expereinces that have helped me to define what love is and what it is not. And sure as heck it is not always warm fuzzies...Remember tough love?
It took/takes a lot of energy, focus, time and insight to address someone with clear intent and a forceful hand...I don't mean a physical hand here either...and it's a lot more effort to muster the energy than to do 'poor babies' as I call them.
When someone comes along that is looking for answers and a teacher ... a lesson... most teachers start with warm fuzzies and a helping hand, kindness and sweetness and all that good stuff that one would hope for from a learned one.
But after a while when that same someone keeps coming back and not learning anything or at least not appearing to learn something from that fuzzy, fluffy approach the intensity of the lessons becomes more refined. NOT less loving.
A swift kick in the arse is often what is needed. A bit of shapeshifting on the part of the teacher is always what is needed in that instance. Even a bed of roses has hidden thorns.
In the instance with Sama I can assure you I was not over stepping my boundaries and in no way was I imposing my views and beliefs on her. I have nothing invested in how others believe, especially someone I have never met and probably never will except here every now and there.
Before I responded to her the other day I took hours, literally hours to reread every post on these boards that she had ever written. I took my precious time and set aside any number of things I wanted to do to complete this unpleasant task.
You may ask why would I do such a thing?
My guides came to me and told me I had a contract with Sama to help her awaken. And they told me to read her posts, even the ones that made me want to puke, and to find a way to get her to see into the mirror of self. I can assure you all I did not want to do what I did and I took no pleasure in it.
I asked if someone else could do this and was told point blank that NO it was for me to do. And there was remembering in it for me too. I had to remember all the time that what I was doing was coming from the heart.
When it comes to overstepping the line, often one cannot tell before the fact if one is going to do this. I asked myself if I was overstepping the line. I dont' think so. My words garnered action in Sama. Without this venue to continue to support and enable behavior that was stagnating, maybe it will help her to have what SHE WANTED...to understand and awaken...It doesn't matter if what any of you think about my actions...
And I say that with deep consideration of all of you and not from my ego.
You are on the outside looking in and judging from you own view points and your needs are very different than Sama's or mine for instance. One cannot judge from the outside what another experiencing on the inside. But boy you sure can react and that is something to look at.
I respect you all and appreciate Liza's courage to say what she said to me. It did not scathe me but it did make me think. And isn't that what we are doing here? Growing and thinking and trying new things, adjusting ourselves to ride the divine wind of change?
This is not a "Lili issue" as Ed states here...it is and "all of us" issue. We are a community and by and large a silent community. There are merely maybe a dozen people who post here out of hundreds of members.
A situation like this is not one person's. From a greater perspective, Sama and I played roles here, in public for you all to observe. This was not a private affair between us nor is it now a private affair. the actors in the play are only one side of the stage. The show cannot go on without the viewers.
What have YOU garnered from this for yourselves? Looking out at me and pointing a finger will take you no where. But looking at your thoughts about Sama's actions/words/behavior and at mine and at your own reactions to this situation will bring you closer to the mark.
Are you afraid to write to me that I will rip your head off and have you for breakfast? Were you afraid to write to Sama for fear she would freak out or whine in reponse and not understand and want to chew the carpet? Are you concerned what others in our community will think of you if you express your true and honest thoughts? Or what, or what? Or what?
Moving into the higher dimensions and ascending into a new life requires courage and fortitude. It requires honesty and looking hard into the mirror of self...it requires adjustments that often bring pain physically as well as mentally.
Many of us have expressed our pysical pain here on the board and we are a bunch of old farts some days. But how many of us have expressed our emotional and mental pain in the ascension process? Outloud, here for all to see...the dirty laundry...How many of us have shared our fears and our joy?
All the world is a stage and we are actors upon that stage and you guys just had the Sama-Lili show. So what's the next act? And who will be the stars and who the watchers. Step right up and take a chance folks. It's free and the rewards are great.
With love and in service,
Liliahnah
Thanks, everyone!