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The Maya Calendar is probably one of the most cited sources for the end of world scenario or other great changes occuring in 2012. There are several detractors from this theory, which is based on the Maya Long Count, a cycle of 1,872,000 days.
Mexico acknowledges 2nd Mayan reference to 2012 "Mexico's archaeology institute downplays theories that the ancient Mayas predicted some sort of apocalypse would occur in 2012, but on Thursday it acknowledged that a second reference to the date exists on a carved fragment found at a southern Mexico ruin site ..."Some have proposed it as another reference to 2012, but I remain rather unconvinced," David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin, said in a message to The Associated Press.
Stuart said the date inscribed on the brick "'is a Calendar Round,' a combination of a day and month position that will repeat every 52 years."
The brick date does coincide with the end of the 13th Baktun; Baktuns were roughly 394-year periods and 13 was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas. The Mayan Long Count calendar begins in 3114 B.C., and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012." news.yahoo.com (site accessed Nov 2011)
The "End" of the Mayan Calendar, Solar Flares and Earth Changes " ... As this most likely is my last communication before the Mayan calendar comes to an end on October 28, 2011, it may now also be in its place to discuss somewhat what this “end” may mean and of course is a question that has been discussed for some time. My basic answer would be that the universe attains its highest quantum state and creates a new stage for life (at the top of the nine-storied pyramid) ..." www.calleman.com (site accessed Oct 2011)
The annotated apocalypse: Anthropologists tackle 2012 " ... There are actual experts in ancient Maya traditions, and actual experts who study the culture and religion of modern Maya living today. These archaeologists and anthropologists have, inadvertently, created some of the pop culture legends that spawned the 2012 movement. But, until very recently, they've largely ignored that movement. This is starting to change, however. Last January, archaeo-astronomers held a symposium on the 2012 phenomenon and ... a new scholarly book, collecting essays on the 2012 phenomenon by Mayanist researchers, is set to be published soon.
One of the researchers featured in that book is John Hoopes (who) does field research, digging at archaeological sites in Costa Rica and other parts of Central and South America. But, as a side project, he's also developed some expertise in the way archaeology—and, particularly, pseudo-archaeology—influences pop culture in the United States and Europe. I spoke with him about where 2012 myths come from, why scientists need to study and address pseudo-science movements, and why he thinks the 2012 phenomenon owes as much to H.P. Lovecraft and Aldous Huxley as it does to the ancient Maya ..." boingboing.net (site accessed Aug 2011)
Address to the world by the National Council of Elders Mayas, Xinca and Garifuna " ... According to the Maya Calendars we are living in the time of the 13 Baktun and 13 Ajau. This is a time that comes accompanied with great pain. We are seeing a series of events approaching us as never seen before, these events come charged with tremendous sufferings and pain. They will happen in different places. They will touch us equally, men and women, old and young, indigenous or non-indigenous.
All this is due to the contamination. The atmosphere has lost its control. We the Maya see it with much sadness that we will see hunger and drought. Plagues will invade the fields and affect the agriculture; new illnesses will appear and will be difficult to cure. The sun rays are getting stronger and stronger as time goes by.
Our recommendation to avoid more suffering is this: No more nuclear testing, no more wars, no more mining and other explorations, no more use of chemicals. This is the only way the human race, the animals and the ancient trees could survive and see the new Sun*. If we do not change, few will be the ones to survive and see the arrival of the 6th Sun ...
*Note: RE: “Sun.” Contrary to popular belief the living elders of the Maya do not agree that December 21, 2012 is the end of their calendar. A new “Sun” represents the beginning of a new Long Count cycle in the calendar system of approximately 5,200 years, which they say may not happen for many years ..." shiftoftheages.com (site accessed May 11)
Revelation 2012 "Carved into the hard stone of a hillside outside the Mexican city of Acapulco is a mysterious image that lay hidden for 4,000 years. It shows a monkey with one foot lifted in dance. The monkey's long tail curls over its head. The primate appears to be holding a five-pointed star ... Carl de Borhegyi, a Maya researcher in Minneapolis, has been studying the image closely, and says it has shocking implications."There's all this excitement and panic right now about 2012 and the Mayan apocalypse," de Borhegyi says. "But the message contained in this image turns all that upside down ..."Let me put it this way: What if the apocalypse already happened?" ..." citypages.com (site accessed Apr 2011)
2012 The True Mayan Prophecy " ... we have been working with Mayan Nobel Peace Laureate Rigoberta Menchu Tum for 15 years. We recently completed a documentary called 2012: The True Mayan Prophecy (49 minutes) and it features actual Mayans including Rigoberta Menchu Tum - the 1992 Nobel Peace Laureate. Everyone puts words in Mayan's mouths but what did they really say? Not only do we have Rigoberta delivering the truth, but her Elders and Shamans, too. The doc also features the Dalai Lama and Archbishop Desmond Tutu speaking of what 2012 will bring us.
Each view of this documentary costs USD $1.99. In this country you can't buy a Big Mac for that price. The money raised will benefit the PeaceJam Foundation and the Rigoberta Menchu Tum Foundation. Or you can watch Sting and his friends discuss 2012 for USD $30." (email received Jan 2011)
Alignment 2012 "John Major Jenkins is an independent researcher who has devoted himself to reconstructing ancient Mayan cosmology and philosophy. Since beginning his odyssey of research and discovery with the Maya, John has authored dozens of articles and many books." (site accessed Feb 2006)
See also: Interview with John Major Jenkins Red Ice Creations Radio Archive (site accessed Nov 2007)
See also: Mushroom Cosmogenesis 2012 (YouTube) "Ever wonder where John Major Jenkins got his 'ground-breaking insights' ..." (site accessed Jul 2010)
See also: On-Site at Izapa: J. M. Jenkins Demonstrates the Solstice Sunrise Alignment (YouTube) "Will there be a unique astronomical alignment at sunrise on Winter Solstice day of 2012, in the ancient city where the Maya calendar originated? We'll examine John Major Jenkins' report of his on-site investigation. This video is a follow-on to the series "Clearing up the Skies of 2012", designed to give viewers the background needed to decide for themselves about the astronomical alignments of 2012." (site accessed Dec 2010)
2012 Apocalypse - Postponed " ... A new critique, published as a chapter in the new textbook "Calendars and Years II: Astronomy and Time in the Ancient and Medieval World" (Oxbow Books, 2010), argues that the accepted conversions of dates from Mayan to the modern calendar may be off by as much as 50 or 100 years. That would throw the supposed and overhyped 2012 apocalypse off by decades and cast into doubt the dates of historical Mayan events ..." foxnews.com (site accessed Oct 2010)
Approaching 2012 " ... CU and Naropa students gathered Tuesday in Eaton Humanities to attend a talk given by Mayan elder Miguel Angel Chiquin, regarding Mayan beliefs about Dec. 21, 2012 ...“From the context of Mayan cosmology there is an infinity of Mayan calendars,” he said. The calendars cycle every 5,000 years. He said we are about to enter the calendar of fifth sun and at that time, “everyone will clarify the light and the sacred spirit.” ... Chiquin said the Mayan calendars are part of something bigger. “These calendars are part of a larger cosmology which will never end,” he said ..." cuindependent.com (site accessed Oct 2010)
The long count is not cyclical " The latest interpretation of Monument 6 at Tortuguero has recently been published by Sven Gronemeyer and Barbara MacLeod. It is a rather long and detailed account of the inscription and its greater context. I shall write about their study in two posts. This one deals with their nice outlining of the calendrical framework, which is poorly understood by most 2012ers. The next post will be about the actual inscription itself and what the authors believe it meant.... In short, there is no end of the LC calendar in 2012 and there were no multiple creations preceding this one, as I have argued before. People claiming that the “Maya calendar” was cyclical miss the whole point that the LC was just what the name implies, it was an endless non-repeating long count. The CR, on the other hand, repeated. However, these different aspects of the calendar system should not be confused. ..." Johan Normark, haecceities.wordpress.com (site accessed Oct 2010)
Truth of the Mayan calendar end times prophecy and Doomsday hype revealed " ... A quest for the truth regarding all the hoopla concerning the Mayan calendar's long count cycle end in association with a doomsday prediction raises a number of pertinent questions. The first most obvious is: What is the source of this association with an end of the world prediction and the Mayan calendar? Or rather in this case, the better question is: What is the original source for all of this public mis-information? Serious research regarding the answer to this question uncovers many things. Most importantly, it shows that the sources are from neither the ancient nor modern Maya themselves. So then, from where, who, and why do these false claims arise? ..." mayan-calendar.org (site accessed Aug 2010)
Tale of an end of world predictor and the Mayan calendar Doomsday prophecy " At the end of the last millennium, there was once a wise little old man who claimed to have a special connectedness with the ancient Maya. Despite the fact that he himself was really of Anglo Saxon Celtic ancestory, he claimed to have been especially chosen and gifted with the unique ability to channel the spirits of our ancient Mayan ancestors which thus allowed him to reveal some extremely precise and critically important timely understandings about the ancient Mayan culture, their most sacred revered esoteric teachings, the significance of Mayan astrology, Mayan astronomy, and to specifically unravel the complexity of their mysteries regarding the ancient Mayan calendar itself ..." worldend.org (site accessed Aug 2010)
Archaeologist debunks alleged Maya prediction of apocalypse "Contrary to the apocalyptic prophecies for 2012 attributed to the Maya civilization, a Mexican archaeologist says that the Mayas were predicting a “strictly cyclical phenomenon,” not a planetary catastrophe ...“The Maya philosophy conceives of the beginning and the end as a whole. That is to say, it doesn’t separate life and death because one is the origin of the other, but therefore that doesn’t mean that everything has to end to be able to see a new beginning,” Morales said. He added that if the Maya government were still ruling in Mesoamerica, “Dec. 21, 2012 would be the most important day in all its history. They would celebrate the arrival of a new sun with ceremonies, banquets and sacrifices.” laht.com (site accessed June 2010)
Much ado about nothing: 2012 and the Maya (MP3) " ... In this talk, Marc Zender will enlist William Shakespeare's Much Ado about Nothing. He suggests the famous romantic comedy about deceit, mistaken identity, and the peril of unexamined assumptions will “shed some light on the New Age nonsense surrounding the supposed Maya ‘end date’ of 2012.” For example, the “end date” itself is mentioned on a single 7th-century monument in a passage that is open to several interpretations ...But Maya doomsday theorists are not daunted by the lack of evidence. The contrast between the evidence and the theory propagated in the public consciousness provides a cautionary tale in the grand tradition of Shakespeare. peabody.harvard.edu (site accessed Mar 10)
It's Not the End of the World: What the Ancient Maya Tell Us About 2012 " ... For over a decade, I have focused my scholarly research specifically on Maya culture and writing, making some surprising discoveries that can present a more definitive perspective on the prophecies of the ancient Maya seers. As we approach the critical year, it is time to offer a more viable account of the Maya prophecy and expose both the fallacies and ethnocentricism tainting the current sensational accounts. Here I intend to explain what we actually know about (1) Maya knowledge and attitudes, both ancient and modern, (2) the date 13.0.0.0.0. and (3) their many Creation stories and prophecies. Mark Van Stone, www.famsi.org (site accessed Mar 2010)
Apocalypse soon? What the Maya calendar really tells us about 2012 and the end of time " ... We live in a techno-immersed, materially oriented society that seems somewhat bewildered by where rational, empirical science might be taking us. This may be why the mystical, escapist explanations of a galactic endpoint, replete with precise mathematical, historical, and cosmic underpinnings (masquerading as science), have such wide appeal. In an age of anxiety we reach for the wisdom of ancestors--even other peoples' ancestors--that might have been lost in the drifting sands of time. Perhaps the only way we can take back control of our disordered world is to rediscover their lost knowledge and make use of it. And so we romanticize the ancient Maya ..." quoted from a longer article by Anthony Aveni, Russell Colgate professor of astronomy and anthropology at Colgate University,www.archaeology.org (site accessed Mar 2010)
2012: The Long Count does not end on December 21, 2012 " ... to say that the “Maya culture” had one homogeneous system of recording dates is dead wrong and this belief relies on Westernized/Christian assumptions. But I am afraid the 2012ers will not be able to understand this, their ideas solely rest on arborescent models where everything can be traced back to a master-signifier (this one may differ depending on one’s preferences) ..." haecceities.wordpress.com (site accessed Dec 09)
The Maya Calendar is probably one of the most cited sources for the end of world scenario or other great changes occuring in 2012. There are several detractors from this theory, which is based on the Maya Long Count, a cycle of 1,872,000 days.
Mexico acknowledges 2nd Mayan reference to 2012 "Mexico's archaeology institute downplays theories that the ancient Mayas predicted some sort of apocalypse would occur in 2012, but on Thursday it acknowledged that a second reference to the date exists on a carved fragment found at a southern Mexico ruin site ..."Some have proposed it as another reference to 2012, but I remain rather unconvinced," David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin, said in a message to The Associated Press.
Stuart said the date inscribed on the brick "'is a Calendar Round,' a combination of a day and month position that will repeat every 52 years."
The brick date does coincide with the end of the 13th Baktun; Baktuns were roughly 394-year periods and 13 was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas. The Mayan Long Count calendar begins in 3114 B.C., and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012." news.yahoo.com (site accessed Nov 2011)
The "End" of the Mayan Calendar, Solar Flares and Earth Changes " ... As this most likely is my last communication before the Mayan calendar comes to an end on October 28, 2011, it may now also be in its place to discuss somewhat what this “end” may mean and of course is a question that has been discussed for some time. My basic answer would be that the universe attains its highest quantum state and creates a new stage for life (at the top of the nine-storied pyramid) ..." www.calleman.com (site accessed Oct 2011)
The annotated apocalypse: Anthropologists tackle 2012 " ... There are actual experts in ancient Maya traditions, and actual experts who study the culture and religion of modern Maya living today. These archaeologists and anthropologists have, inadvertently, created some of the pop culture legends that spawned the 2012 movement. But, until very recently, they've largely ignored that movement. This is starting to change, however. Last January, archaeo-astronomers held a symposium on the 2012 phenomenon and ... a new scholarly book, collecting essays on the 2012 phenomenon by Mayanist researchers, is set to be published soon.
One of the researchers featured in that book is John Hoopes (who) does field research, digging at archaeological sites in Costa Rica and other parts of Central and South America. But, as a side project, he's also developed some expertise in the way archaeology—and, particularly, pseudo-archaeology—influences pop culture in the United States and Europe. I spoke with him about where 2012 myths come from, why scientists need to study and address pseudo-science movements, and why he thinks the 2012 phenomenon owes as much to H.P. Lovecraft and Aldous Huxley as it does to the ancient Maya ..." boingboing.net (site accessed Aug 2011)
Address to the world by the National Council of Elders Mayas, Xinca and Garifuna " ... According to the Maya Calendars we are living in the time of the 13 Baktun and 13 Ajau. This is a time that comes accompanied with great pain. We are seeing a series of events approaching us as never seen before, these events come charged with tremendous sufferings and pain. They will happen in different places. They will touch us equally, men and women, old and young, indigenous or non-indigenous.
All this is due to the contamination. The atmosphere has lost its control. We the Maya see it with much sadness that we will see hunger and drought. Plagues will invade the fields and affect the agriculture; new illnesses will appear and will be difficult to cure. The sun rays are getting stronger and stronger as time goes by.
Our recommendation to avoid more suffering is this: No more nuclear testing, no more wars, no more mining and other explorations, no more use of chemicals. This is the only way the human race, the animals and the ancient trees could survive and see the new Sun*. If we do not change, few will be the ones to survive and see the arrival of the 6th Sun ...
*Note: RE: “Sun.” Contrary to popular belief the living elders of the Maya do not agree that December 21, 2012 is the end of their calendar. A new “Sun” represents the beginning of a new Long Count cycle in the calendar system of approximately 5,200 years, which they say may not happen for many years ..." shiftoftheages.com (site accessed May 11)
Revelation 2012 "Carved into the hard stone of a hillside outside the Mexican city of Acapulco is a mysterious image that lay hidden for 4,000 years. It shows a monkey with one foot lifted in dance. The monkey's long tail curls over its head. The primate appears to be holding a five-pointed star ... Carl de Borhegyi, a Maya researcher in Minneapolis, has been studying the image closely, and says it has shocking implications."There's all this excitement and panic right now about 2012 and the Mayan apocalypse," de Borhegyi says. "But the message contained in this image turns all that upside down ..."Let me put it this way: What if the apocalypse already happened?" ..." citypages.com (site accessed Apr 2011)
2012 The True Mayan Prophecy " ... we have been working with Mayan Nobel Peace Laureate Rigoberta Menchu Tum for 15 years. We recently completed a documentary called 2012: The True Mayan Prophecy (49 minutes) and it features actual Mayans including Rigoberta Menchu Tum - the 1992 Nobel Peace Laureate. Everyone puts words in Mayan's mouths but what did they really say? Not only do we have Rigoberta delivering the truth, but her Elders and Shamans, too. The doc also features the Dalai Lama and Archbishop Desmond Tutu speaking of what 2012 will bring us.
Each view of this documentary costs USD $1.99. In this country you can't buy a Big Mac for that price. The money raised will benefit the PeaceJam Foundation and the Rigoberta Menchu Tum Foundation. Or you can watch Sting and his friends discuss 2012 for USD $30." (email received Jan 2011)
Alignment 2012 "John Major Jenkins is an independent researcher who has devoted himself to reconstructing ancient Mayan cosmology and philosophy. Since beginning his odyssey of research and discovery with the Maya, John has authored dozens of articles and many books." (site accessed Feb 2006)
See also: Interview with John Major Jenkins Red Ice Creations Radio Archive (site accessed Nov 2007)
See also: Mushroom Cosmogenesis 2012 (YouTube) "Ever wonder where John Major Jenkins got his 'ground-breaking insights' ..." (site accessed Jul 2010)
See also: On-Site at Izapa: J. M. Jenkins Demonstrates the Solstice Sunrise Alignment (YouTube) "Will there be a unique astronomical alignment at sunrise on Winter Solstice day of 2012, in the ancient city where the Maya calendar originated? We'll examine John Major Jenkins' report of his on-site investigation. This video is a follow-on to the series "Clearing up the Skies of 2012", designed to give viewers the background needed to decide for themselves about the astronomical alignments of 2012." (site accessed Dec 2010)
2012 Apocalypse - Postponed " ... A new critique, published as a chapter in the new textbook "Calendars and Years II: Astronomy and Time in the Ancient and Medieval World" (Oxbow Books, 2010), argues that the accepted conversions of dates from Mayan to the modern calendar may be off by as much as 50 or 100 years. That would throw the supposed and overhyped 2012 apocalypse off by decades and cast into doubt the dates of historical Mayan events ..." foxnews.com (site accessed Oct 2010)
Approaching 2012 " ... CU and Naropa students gathered Tuesday in Eaton Humanities to attend a talk given by Mayan elder Miguel Angel Chiquin, regarding Mayan beliefs about Dec. 21, 2012 ...“From the context of Mayan cosmology there is an infinity of Mayan calendars,” he said. The calendars cycle every 5,000 years. He said we are about to enter the calendar of fifth sun and at that time, “everyone will clarify the light and the sacred spirit.” ... Chiquin said the Mayan calendars are part of something bigger. “These calendars are part of a larger cosmology which will never end,” he said ..." cuindependent.com (site accessed Oct 2010)
The long count is not cyclical " The latest interpretation of Monument 6 at Tortuguero has recently been published by Sven Gronemeyer and Barbara MacLeod. It is a rather long and detailed account of the inscription and its greater context. I shall write about their study in two posts. This one deals with their nice outlining of the calendrical framework, which is poorly understood by most 2012ers. The next post will be about the actual inscription itself and what the authors believe it meant.... In short, there is no end of the LC calendar in 2012 and there were no multiple creations preceding this one, as I have argued before. People claiming that the “Maya calendar” was cyclical miss the whole point that the LC was just what the name implies, it was an endless non-repeating long count. The CR, on the other hand, repeated. However, these different aspects of the calendar system should not be confused. ..." Johan Normark, haecceities.wordpress.com (site accessed Oct 2010)
Truth of the Mayan calendar end times prophecy and Doomsday hype revealed " ... A quest for the truth regarding all the hoopla concerning the Mayan calendar's long count cycle end in association with a doomsday prediction raises a number of pertinent questions. The first most obvious is: What is the source of this association with an end of the world prediction and the Mayan calendar? Or rather in this case, the better question is: What is the original source for all of this public mis-information? Serious research regarding the answer to this question uncovers many things. Most importantly, it shows that the sources are from neither the ancient nor modern Maya themselves. So then, from where, who, and why do these false claims arise? ..." mayan-calendar.org (site accessed Aug 2010)
Tale of an end of world predictor and the Mayan calendar Doomsday prophecy " At the end of the last millennium, there was once a wise little old man who claimed to have a special connectedness with the ancient Maya. Despite the fact that he himself was really of Anglo Saxon Celtic ancestory, he claimed to have been especially chosen and gifted with the unique ability to channel the spirits of our ancient Mayan ancestors which thus allowed him to reveal some extremely precise and critically important timely understandings about the ancient Mayan culture, their most sacred revered esoteric teachings, the significance of Mayan astrology, Mayan astronomy, and to specifically unravel the complexity of their mysteries regarding the ancient Mayan calendar itself ..." worldend.org (site accessed Aug 2010)
Archaeologist debunks alleged Maya prediction of apocalypse "Contrary to the apocalyptic prophecies for 2012 attributed to the Maya civilization, a Mexican archaeologist says that the Mayas were predicting a “strictly cyclical phenomenon,” not a planetary catastrophe ...“The Maya philosophy conceives of the beginning and the end as a whole. That is to say, it doesn’t separate life and death because one is the origin of the other, but therefore that doesn’t mean that everything has to end to be able to see a new beginning,” Morales said. He added that if the Maya government were still ruling in Mesoamerica, “Dec. 21, 2012 would be the most important day in all its history. They would celebrate the arrival of a new sun with ceremonies, banquets and sacrifices.” laht.com (site accessed June 2010)
Much ado about nothing: 2012 and the Maya (MP3) " ... In this talk, Marc Zender will enlist William Shakespeare's Much Ado about Nothing. He suggests the famous romantic comedy about deceit, mistaken identity, and the peril of unexamined assumptions will “shed some light on the New Age nonsense surrounding the supposed Maya ‘end date’ of 2012.” For example, the “end date” itself is mentioned on a single 7th-century monument in a passage that is open to several interpretations ...But Maya doomsday theorists are not daunted by the lack of evidence. The contrast between the evidence and the theory propagated in the public consciousness provides a cautionary tale in the grand tradition of Shakespeare. peabody.harvard.edu (site accessed Mar 10)
It's Not the End of the World: What the Ancient Maya Tell Us About 2012 " ... For over a decade, I have focused my scholarly research specifically on Maya culture and writing, making some surprising discoveries that can present a more definitive perspective on the prophecies of the ancient Maya seers. As we approach the critical year, it is time to offer a more viable account of the Maya prophecy and expose both the fallacies and ethnocentricism tainting the current sensational accounts. Here I intend to explain what we actually know about (1) Maya knowledge and attitudes, both ancient and modern, (2) the date 13.0.0.0.0. and (3) their many Creation stories and prophecies. Mark Van Stone, www.famsi.org (site accessed Mar 2010)
Apocalypse soon? What the Maya calendar really tells us about 2012 and the end of time " ... We live in a techno-immersed, materially oriented society that seems somewhat bewildered by where rational, empirical science might be taking us. This may be why the mystical, escapist explanations of a galactic endpoint, replete with precise mathematical, historical, and cosmic underpinnings (masquerading as science), have such wide appeal. In an age of anxiety we reach for the wisdom of ancestors--even other peoples' ancestors--that might have been lost in the drifting sands of time. Perhaps the only way we can take back control of our disordered world is to rediscover their lost knowledge and make use of it. And so we romanticize the ancient Maya ..." quoted from a longer article by Anthony Aveni, Russell Colgate professor of astronomy and anthropology at Colgate University,www.archaeology.org (site accessed Mar 2010)
2012: The Long Count does not end on December 21, 2012 " ... to say that the “Maya culture” had one homogeneous system of recording dates is dead wrong and this belief relies on Westernized/Christian assumptions. But I am afraid the 2012ers will not be able to understand this, their ideas solely rest on arborescent models where everything can be traced back to a master-signifier (this one may differ depending on one’s preferences) ..." haecceities.wordpress.com (site accessed Dec 09)
