Energetic Entities

[camil]

Hi I am new here, but like first of all to say what a great place, and I love the earthly colour and design of it all here, thank you Sowelu..

My question is something I have never come across with before, I have gone through lots of emotional clearings over the years to release whatever junk that is not me... and have done it through feeling fully, allowing myself to feel it all... and I have buried a lot inside over the years so there was a lot to release.. Now lately as we are just waiting (I guess) for a mayor shift now in our consciousness and fully entering into the new, I stumbled across omething I found about energetic entities and wonder what you all think about that...? I can clearly feel the darkness without and possibly perhaps also within, but in this process through facing all my fears, I got to read about energetic entities and attachments on the internet and wonder what your experiences are in this regard?

Love the name EARTH COUNCIL, it is great. Thank you for it!

Camil

[Sowelu]

((((Hiya camil!))))

Welcome to Earth Council! How wonderful to see you here!!!

We've been a very quiet place for a very long time, so it's wonderful to hear that it feels good here to a newcomer. (((Hugs)))

I'll offer what comes to me about your question but I by no means claim expertise! So please feel free to take what works and toss the rest.

At this level of Creation, in this holographic reality I guess you could say, energy is the name of the game, so to speak. Everything is energy, and all energy has a purpose and rightful place in the Selfhood.

The energies that make up the human self identity can be described as "false" in the sense that a human being identifies itself as separate from the All (at least initially), small in significance and impact... yet it is actually a portion of the totality of a much, much larger beingness that has no form, right? So... in truth the energy that makes up a human being is real and borne of love.

BUT... the perceptual understanding of Self that a human being typically has... is where the falseness comes in. That perception arises from the ignorance which was designed by the Greater Self so it would "forget who it was" while parading around as human, plus the FEAR that has accumulated from that ignorance.

Both ignorance and fear are still love in forgetfulness, however.

So to me, an "energetic entity" in the negative sense, is a combination or cohering assembly of energetic threads of self forgetfulness. And just like we do in our humanness, this coherent bundle can "know itself" in false ways, believe itself to be of a certain intent and most importantly SEPARATE from that which is... love.

But bear in mind that Seth, that glorious being who channeled through Jane Roberts in the 60's and 70's described himself as an "Energetic Entity" or an "Energetic Essence", and his intent was to uplift, enlighten and support us in our awakening (and what an amazing beneficial influence he's been on the collective here!)

So here in this reality perhaps we're ALL "energy entities", at least perceptually (how we perceive or understand ourselves).

What we feel outside ourselves is what lives in separation consciousness. In ourselves, likely, if it triggers fear in us, thereby revealing that we "believe in its existence". But it may also be that "in and of itself" this energy is perceiving itself as separate from love, believing it is separate from oneness, and of negative intent... If so, it can act from that perception to have impact on anyone here who believes that such a thing is possible. This is key because the self forgetful energy threads that cohered to make up this separate entity... do not exist to one who remembers Self in truth. They, entities in separation, would be "illusion", whose existence is predicated on the potential to forget Self.

I think the difficulty for us all here with this concept is that we literally appear separate from one another. Even someone who "knows who they are in truth" can become forgetful here and there when they encounter an idea or emotion they "forgot" existed. This can put them in fear again, and fear is a product of separation consciousness. The solution is always to "integrate" in love. To remember who we truly are... again.

But there are still others around us who continue to believe in their separateness. Allowing that is part of being whole! Allowing illusion to exist side by side with what's real, because we each are at different stages of our awareness and awakening is part of being whole and of love. After all, to Source... none of this we see around us exists "in truth", it's a lovely illusion for the experience, that Source birthed from profound love. So embracing both illusion and truth is part of wholeness. Again... difficult, for sure.

I have NO idea if that answered your question or was even in the ballpark, camil! LOL! But please feel free to comment or discuss or tell me I'm way off. *heehee*

With love,
Sowelu

[Sowelu]

Oh man, camil, your initial post has exploded a whole bunch of concepts within me. LOL! I feel like I want to just "let it fly" and see what comes of it.

The first major sense is that this whole thing is about Relationship. The relationship between the self and the Self and the relationship between the self and life.

Energetic relationships are tricky to discern. When one is "integrated" with an energy of fear, that fear no longer actually exists for the person. They are literally "in love" when that flavor of life force comes their way. They understand the energy that once was fear, and they are "in love" with the energy now.

So... what came to me is that the idea of "possession", being possessed by a negative entity, is the full opposite of integration. It is having a relationship to that energy that is seemingly the full opposite of "in love" or oneness. Meaning FEAR and SEPARATION.

The person's relationship to that energy, whatever it represents, is so far from "harmony" or "at onement" that it is as far away from the person's knowing of self that it could get. They are "fully divorced" from the energy. (this is only perceptual, however, let's not forget... because it's impossible to truly separate parts of you from yourself)

So much of the person's life force is spent DENYING the right to life of that energy! They are literally obsessed with the false need to PREVENT that energy from flowing freely in life. Because their obsession is constant, their relationship to the energy creates an ATTACHMENT of POSSESSION.

And that... is an energetic truth in display. The person IS possessed by the need to reject this portion of the all, so this portion of the all "possesses" a lot of the person's life force! In denial. Which is dark, negative, etc.

The reason it works this way is because each one of us IS, truly, ALL OF IT. This is not just an idea of who we might be, this is the truth of who we are. So... whatever we deny is actually still part of us, but we place that part of us in separation. And that separate part, no matter how much we want to deny it, IS a part of us. So it becomes "an attachment", perceptually, because we refuse to integrate it into our sense of self. But we can't ever REALLY separate parts of us, so it remains "attached"!

Wow... there are so many things flying around inside around this, camil. Thanks so much for posting!!! Awesome!

Much love,
Sowelu

[Sowelu]

Something else has been moving through me about this, camil, and so I figured what the heck? There's a place to put it, so why not use it?! LOL!

The feeling that came in was that of a loving, gentle caress. This kind of energy moving in this reality can be such a beautiful experience, you know? And yet... if a person holds fear or a need to prevent such a thing - maybe because the person through whom this energy wants to flow and touch another, is someone too "unlike" the one to receive the flow - that same gentle, sweet energy in motion can suddenly feel very different. It can feel intrusive, crowding, or even downright assaultive! Not because the flow of energy IS that, but because the one who is on the receiving end has energetic blocks to that flow.

Again I think of relationships. Have you ever had a romantic partner whose touch could send you to such a lovely feeling place? And yet... when you're annoyed at that person for some reason, their touch can actually irritate your skin? It's the same love flow, but when it's not moving freely, it suddenly can feel hurtful.

Take that to more of an extreme and you can see how sometimes energy that is actually love can feel like an attack, you know? Can feel like torture or an assault... but the only thing making it feel that way are the blocks to it flowing that live in the personal energy make up of the one on the receiving end.

So anyway... that's another piece of what your post is bringing up and out of me, camil. I so appreciate you posting!! (((Hugs!)))

Much love and gratitude for you,
Sowelu

[camil]

Hi Sowelu, don't know why it has been quiet around here. Thank you so much for your grounded answers which give me a lot to think about and all of them make sense. The reason I am asking is because I bumbed into an article by Lisa Renee about energetic parasites and attachments, and basically she said that there were dark entities who were not interested in lightworkers gaining their full power and strength,,, BUT BUT BUT I so love your approach to the whole thing and want to comment further on all that you have said. It also felt to me like if you give power and say that certain entities are doing things to you, then you give something power outside yourself instead of claiming your full power. It is actually an excuse for not being in the light of who you are, a fear of yours for being outside it all. Again I would say it is about owning all of your shadow... You have said so much, I will comment more. Love your grounded approach! Thanks, love Camil

[Sowelu]

Awesome!

[camil]

So what you are saying in your third reply to me I can understand like this: we are moving away from fear now, entering a new earth, we might find ways to sabotage ourselves, lock ourselves up in fear instead of just going with the flow, allowing things to happen.. Just like a loving relationship that is going really well, but suddenly the internal blocks if there are internal blocks can surface and sabotage the whole thing?

[camil]

Feb 17, 2010 17:30:21 GMT -5 Sowelu said:

Oh man, camil, your initial post has exploded a whole bunch of concepts within me. LOL! I feel like I want to just "let it fly" and see what comes of it.

The first major sense is that this whole thing is about Relationship. The relationship between the self and the Self and the relationship between the self and life.

Energetic relationships are tricky to discern. When one is "integrated" with an energy of fear, that fear no longer actually exists for the person. They are literally "in love" when that flavor of life force comes their way. They understand the energy that once was fear, and they are "in love" with the energy now.

So... what came to me is that the idea of "possession", being possessed by a negative entity, is the full opposite of integration. It is having a relationship to that energy that is seemingly the full opposite of "in love" or oneness. Meaning FEAR and SEPARATION.

The person's relationship to that energy, whatever it represents, is so far from "harmony" or "at onement" that it is as far away from the person's knowing of self that it could get. They are "fully divorced" from the energy. (this is only perceptual, however, let's not forget... because it's impossible to truly separate parts of you from yourself)


Sowelu

So it is really a question of whether or not you yourself are having a full relationship with yourself or if you are placing parts of yourself outside yourself, projecting what you don't want to own outside yourself (even if that is impossible, because you cannot disown parts of yourself) ?! I guess if you are in fear of some kind and have unresolved issues or blocks within, then you are more likely to blame something outside yourself instead of looking into the blocks, feeling them fully or whatever you have to do to release them.

[Sowelu]

Feb 18, 2010 1:55:21 GMT -5 camil said:

So what you are saying in your third reply to me I can understand like this: we are moving away from fear now, entering a new earth, we might find ways to sabotage ourselves, lock ourselves up in fear instead of just going with the flow, allowing things to happen.. Just like a loving relationship that is going really well, but suddenly the internal blocks if there are internal blocks can surface and sabotage the whole thing?

You know... that's tricky, I think. Because for me, although I've had to face many, many blocks and issues in myself, I wouldn't change that for anything! Each one brought me awareness of the human condition which brought me closer to others including partners, as well as each brought me awareness of the truth of the love and the light that gave birth to me, bringing me closer to Source.

These blocks and issues and fears... have been the very source of what bridges heaven and earth for me. Not so much by their being there, because if they just sit there and exist without being seen and acknowledged, they yield very little. But through the exploring of them to the point of release. All that landscape... between recognizing there is an issue, exploring the issue fully, to the point of being able to truly release it... is revelatory material, revealing the Self in so many different ways, from so many different perspectives.

So... I guess for me I don't ever want to "block the potential for blocks", if that makes sense. Or even "be on the lookout" for anything, because to do so creates blocks! Yet I also want to dive into any blocks should they appear, because the unraveling of them is what brings me even closer to... Self, other, life, love... all of it.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's so easy to fall into fearing fear. Fearing that we might fall prey to fear, etc. But there really is... nothing to fear! So yes, to your point of "going with the flow". I think it's just that many have decided what that flow "should" be, and end up kinking themselves up in a knot as a result. The flow is... life as it happens naturally. Including taking on issues and facing them and releasing them. All of it.

So I guess as I see it "sabotage" is a way of describing an issue before it's been explored. But once explored it can be seen that it wasn't sabotage at all but actually something vital and crucial that we needed to stop in our tracks and "smell like a rose", long and deep... because it was important.

And if we can look at issues or blocks we carry in that light, we can relish them. We can get excited that there is something about to be revealed that we didn't realize before, it's about us, and it's all good! We stopped doing that when we began to fear the unknown from here (which is perfectly understandable!), I guess, and it's made the revelation of self and trusting life very hard to do as human beings.

Thanks so much for the conversation, camil, I really appreciate it!

Much love (((Hugs!)))
Sowelu

[Sowelu]

Feb 18, 2010 2:01:27 GMT -5 camil said:

So it is really a question of whether or not you yourself are having a full relationship with yourself or if you are placing parts of yourself outside yourself, projecting what you don't want to own outside yourself (even if that is impossible, because you cannot disown parts of yourself) ?! I guess if you are in fear of some kind and have unresolved issues or blocks within, then you are more likely to blame something outside yourself instead of looking into the blocks, feeling them fully or whatever you have to do to release them.

Yes and yes and yes, as I see it! Yes! *heehee*

[camil]

Yes, I have had many blocks too, but did not know at first... that was the tricky part for me, because as the blocks were revealed slowly, and I released them I have gained more insight in my soul. So now in looking back I would not have been without any of them, because they made me more of who I already am (even thought that sounds like a paradox). So this is what brought me to Lisa Renee's article on entities, and got me to wonder what does she want to do with all that that except create fear in people, but even if she can do that (create more fear) I guess it means that there is more fear or blocks within people reading it that they need to release, the fear of the unknown as you say. Yes, there is nothing to fear except fear itself.. Thank you for this great conversation. love, Camil

[Sowelu]

It's been my experience that when someone promotes control in that way, they truly don't realize that's what they're promoting, you know? I have a dear, dear friend who still does this though she's aware of the path and has walked it quite a bit already. It's a block, basically! LOL!

But I also see that there are many who use the wisdom that flows from someone speaking with a block... as a stepping stone for themselves. So that all we share has value, you know? So here's that "It's all good" idea.

Love you!
Sowelu

[camil]

Thank you, Sowelu, for this I also know of a woman who calls herself healer, but she is actually avoiding all the heavy ("dark" ) stuff while focusing on removing entities/attachments from people. I told her once that what she needed to address was the emotional wounds instead, but I guess it was her path... It is a kind of control as you say, sort of keeping people in fear or helping them separate aspects of themselves that need integration.

Will be back when I have thought more about your words.

love, Camil

[Sowelu]

I guess one of the things I've come to realize is that there are a whole lot of folks at different places on their path, you know? And the soul of each has a unique plan, too. Separation is truly what we came here to experience, and so there are many who may still need to explore some aspects of that, that I no longer do, you know?

I can never truly know the path of another, so I accept that what I see of their experiences and choices... is merely my own perception. To make judgments from it is really folly. I can share myself freely, as they can with me... but unless asked in some specific way, there's nothing to change.

One thing I have noticed, though, is that when another presents as walking a path different from mine, at the very least it creates a desire for me to search inward to see if I react or accept or what-have-you, or it generates an inward check for resonance, and I find there's a whole lot of value in that. So in that sense they are providing a service just by being themselves in the moment, and I'm grateful for that.



Love you!
Sowelu

[camil]

Yes, I agree completely, Sowelu and what I said was not meant as a jugdement, hope it didn't come out that way? I have no intention of judging anyone because if I do it is clear that there are shadow parts I have not integrated. I fully respect that each human being walks his/hers unique path.. I just experienced personally that in the example I mentioned to you with the healer that it didn't work for me because I didn't get that grounded and real feeling of wholeness and integration. It was as if something was missing, but I fully also understand that it is the way I perceive it according to my soul's plan and what I have had to learn of integration of all my parts including the shadow parts that seemed less desirable to integrate. Thanks for this, love Camil