"WQ's Hello" - cont'd from Intro forum

[Nicole]

Sowelu said:

My first thought was that perhaps she had deleted her profile from here or something, and that's why the hello was relayed through another. Then I saw Ed's post talking about what WQ had recently told him and I understood as much as I can from a relayed message. But really, what does it matter?

We sure know how to make drama out of nothing, eh? LOL! Accept the hello and leave her circumstances to her, I say. None of my business, you know? It was nice to think of her and send a hello her way, and it's over.

Well it does matter to me Sowelu! I felt like she was saying "I don't want to be around you guys but hi anyway" and that felt crappy to me. So my IC is like, well come say hi yourself or screw off. Don't bother. We don't need anyone's hi's that doesn't want to be around us.

The issue isn't what she's been doing or is doing now. That is none of my business. But the message felt like a slap in the face. No doubt a mirror for me in some way, but it still felt crappy. Perhaps it's another reminder of the importance of communication and how easy it is to miscommunicate if you're not paying attention to details. I don't know.

But at any rate, it also feels kinda crappy that you dismissed my feelings as drama over nothing (my perception), and I had to let you know.

[Sowelu]

((((Hugs!)))) I understand completely, Nicole.

Now... no one said she was specifically saying hello to you, and no one said you had to respond at all.

So why did you react?

Another way to say it: because of the way it was done (generic hello through Ed), it wasn't personal at all. So... what made it personal for you?

Your feelings are completely valid, absolutely!!! And certainly worth exploring! (this set of feelings speaks to old stuff, it feels like) Use me if you'd like, by the way.

Love you!!! (((((((Hugs!)))))))
Sowelu

[ADMIN]

I want to share my 2 cents here as well and what I felt reading the hello post.
I also questioned if she had deleted herself from the forum and that's why she sent the hello thru Ed.
Then I thoughgt that if she had left, but then why didn't she say farewell.
So I left the thought there...
But, what caught my attention was the "Woo Woo" stuff she said she wanted to get away from. I imagine from her stuff as well.
The Woo Woo word brought on thoughts of like we are nonsense which by the way Lun also referred to what of what was being spoken here in these forums.

But then as Sowelu says, what does it matter?
Maybe she didn't give it thought?
I for one think we are all connected to a soul group here and we are part of each other, family. So why not say it persoanlly to your family that you will be away fro a while?
The same way she took the time to write to Ed, she could have come in here and said hello.
I can also understand where Nicole is coming from, as one may feel not worthy of the person addressing us personally.
I really didn't give this much attention thou I thought of it, I just let it go as we can't tell people how to be...
Adressing this issue here is a good idea and I urge others who felt triggered to come and join this post and share what they felt when reading the WQ Hello Post.

[Nicole]

Because I'm part of this place, and it wasn't directed at me personally, but since I'm part of who/what it was directed to it was in essence directed to me as it was by default directed to everyone.

Maybe I'm over sensitive to things that are said and take things too literally. And I don't expect people to caretake me or anyone else or walk on egg shells. But either way what you say is...what you say. Isn't it important to say clearly what we intend to say?

I am not speaking specifically of WQ because I've already found out what I need to find out about that situation and I can't speculate any further so I won't. That said, I pay attention to what people say and do because that helps me to pick and choose who I want to exchange energy with, you know?

And you're right about this being an old issue though. This isn't the first time that WQ has said something (or in this case whatever the case is...) that I took issue with. And I understand your point about why should I care now that I've gotten near the end of this post. Just because someone says something doesn't mean it's true about me, or a reflection of me, or whatever. But that doesn't mean that when someone says something not nice it doesn't bring you down ya know.

[Nicole]

Yeah MirRA, I didn't mention it, but the "woo hoo" comment hurt a little too.

I guess about folks saying goodbye or hi, on that issue, I really feel that if you want to say goodbye to me say goodbye to me. Don't send it through someone else. And if you want to say hi, the same. If you're speaking to a group such as this and are unable to speak to the group then route it through someone and write a letter or record a message to the group and say your peace.

Anyway, even though what someone says really says nothing about YOU/ME, I think I figured out why stuff like this hurts. Even if it's coming from someone we don't know and like, it's sort of like "Why would you say these things to me?" It's hard to understand why some things are said or directed at us when they're not necessarily the nicest things.

And one more comment, I have tried to make it a point to really look at what was said if it is in print and make sure I can take it any other way. I recently had an old friend say something so ugly to me (the content, not ugly words) that I decided I didn't have the energy to deal with him anymore. So I couldn't figure any other way to take the WQ post after reading and rereading and asking Ed.

Anyway...thanks for listening.

[Sowelu]

((((Hugs))))

Well I'm sorry that my opinion of the event caused you to feel hurt, Nicole. (((Hugs))) I can assure you I felt no disregard for your perspective, I simply felt it important to express my own.

I see this as a small example of the kinds of things that cripple us, actually, which is why I chose to say something at all. And why I pushed further with you, Nicole. Maybe I was out of line there, not sure. My apologies, though, if that's how it feels.

Being overrun by feelings around something someone barely did with no explanation on their part... is a whole lot of energy spent in a direction that offers very little of benefit. When we do it, there's usually a reason, and getting to it and clearing it the heck out so it no longer determines where we needlessly expend our energy, feels important to me.

I had this sense from reading your post, Nicole, of you being controlled by something not even in your midst, not in your control, and maybe not even real... controlled from waaaay over there, remotely even, when you have so much going on in your own right. Why take umbrage at something you have so little information on, so little need to expend energy on? For all intents and purposes, I saw the words in the text of Ed's first post as "nothing", and your post as a whole lotta something made from it.

I have experience with doing that myself, and it is draining. As MirRA said, we really have no say in what others will do... so why are we focused on it?

Being one who takes lots of periods of time where I'm not involved with others, perhaps it doesn't strike me the same as it did others. Having spent most of my life working through feelings, I know what it's like to love people but not love what they're into, or to enjoy people and even how we first connected, but no longer be involved as they still are.

Because of that, a hello without the need to invest my energy back into their midst for any length of time, is perfectly reasonable to me. A pleasant brief connect through a friendly greeting.

There's a whole lotta moving on going on these days. The easier we are with it within ourselves, the better our own traversing of the path will go. So... if we're unable to get emotionally detached to what others are or aren't doing, we're in for some painful times, it seems to me.

And the thing is, if WQ had any other intent, even one of wanting to stir the pot, it still doesn't matter, unless we choose to make it matter. And why would we do that except that we have a need for the conflict so that we can clear the emotional and/or mental attachments we have to something perfectly represented by the conflict situation. In which case, gratitude for the opportunity may be in order, and go a long way in clearing up energetic ties to the conflict.

In my view, there may be old echoes of issues here. Rejection, ridicule, being falsely labeled and judged, abandoned, things of that nature. There's very much a sense of "competitive" not "cooperative" energy involved, as I feel it.

All my opinion, none meant to inflict harm anywhere, on anyone. Take or toss as you see fit, of course.

With love,
Sowelu

[seaoffeeling]

[glow=red,2,300]Had this comment come from someone whose opinions mattered to me, whom I had an emotional investment in (whether it was due to something about that person specifically or some need within me), then I might have been hurt by it. However, as I do not have an emotional investment in WQ, I was not affected personally by it.

[/glow]

[seaoffeeling]

[glow=red,2,300]Nicole,

Your experience of WQ's comment as a "slap in the face" caught my attention because you used these same words in your emotional clearing with Starseed. Perhaps there are parallels there.

Love,
-SeaofFeeling[/glow]

[Nicole]

I know you didn't mean any harm Sowelu and I appreciate that you take the time to comment. That's part of what makes you such a wonderful person and why I love you so much! So thank you!

While this isn't the crux of the issue as I'm recognizing it, I did want to mention that the HOW of things really irks me more than the WHY, or even the fact that they occur at all. I see this as a pattern in my life - I mean the hurt, anger, or irritation at how someone chose to go about something. And I recognize that I don't always go about doing something that affects others in a way I'd like to be treated/affected myself.

That said...

In my view, there may be old echoes of issues here. Rejection, ridicule, being falsely labeled and judged, abandoned, things of that nature. There's very much a sense of "competitive" not "cooperative" energy involved, as I feel it.

This is right on the money, and represents totally some of my past interaction with WQ. I am loathe to bring it up here without her being here to comment, but I guess her comment isn't really necessary anyhow since they are my feelings about it.

At any rate, let's just say that I did not feel respected in the relationship until later on.

You also mentioned controlled by outside forces or something similar. Well, yeah, I can see that because I'm not normally that sensitive.

So what's this really about? Something - someone - trying to move my focus away into drama? Probably WQ would have nothing to do with it but would be the conduit.

What do you think? I'm leaving work now but will try and check in later. Seems significant even though I'm not really emotionally hurt by it anymore.

[Sowelu]

((((Hugs!))))

Rather than try to figure out what someone/thing else might be attempting to do to me, I look within for my weak spots. Those are the avenues of "attack", as they call it, and they are the only thing I truly have the ability to change in order to change my experience. You know? Anticipating "other" is a waste of time, unless it's a by-product of self-examination, imo.

Theoretically, however, yes... it seems that whenever we near something important on our path, we are "Tested" in some fashion. Heck we don't even necessarily have to be near something important, but simply play a role here that is important in certain ways at certain junctures, so that "thwarting", scattering and "redirecting" attempts can be made.

The only real "defense" for this is to Know Thyself, focus on one's own stuff diligently, and you eventually become untouchable. In fact, facing moments like this with the intent to learn from it, not just "defend against it" or "react to it" is how we build up our teflon. Heh heh.

Because... the really cool thing is, we have the exact weak spots necessary for those with a different agenda to have an impact on us. In other words, it's actually completely complimentary! And when we choose to work consciously on ourselves at our weak spots, we develop and move toward sovereignty and peaceful relations with all that is. When we ignore, deny, fight without intent to learn from our weak spots... we further the other agenda, continuing to live as victim in conflict relations with life.

And because I feel it's important to validate the process that happened in you here as I see it , with regard to the whole path toward sovereignty, I'll make this comment: What I sense happened on your end was that you picked up energies both past and present, and even future possible between the two of you (and what each represents in a bigger picture)... and feared. Perhaps consciously, perhaps subconsciously.

And you picked up on that energy because you're still vulnerable to it (read: weak spot). This is still a viable conduit for attack in you, and so it was used, you might say, precisely to show you that. Thus the fear that still exists (although it's not very strong at all, I sense, and is more an "echo" that needs conscious direction).

From that, you moved to protective action with attitude. *heehee* (Just my way of describing what I sensed energetically.) And this process is what we did most of our lives and had to do, in order to protect ourselves until such time that we had the stuff to rectify the patterns.

And now is that time.

Did I comment in the direction of your question?

Love you ooodles! (((((hugs)))))
Sowelu

[AgeA]

I have to say that I felt the same way Nicole did and also that WQ thinks that we doing here the 'woo woo thing' is just some kind of nonsense. I wish I would still believe that but not after I had expereinced recently in my life I dont think I can. It is real it just that it doesnt appear to have any relevance to the world around us or does it? You know today's world remind me somewhat of the world in 1905. There were already cars, airplanes, automatic machine guns, radio but none of that was in mass use yet and same thing now there are already flying machines, replicators, robots, portable lazers, free energy, teleportation just now being 'discovered' by science all of that working and some being patented years ago but none of that in mass use again. Any one of these 'inventions' can change this world forever in numerous ways, but is the consciousness of humanity ready for it yet?


Also, on the 'woo woo' staff, I feel changes in my body happening almost everyday to me now call it DNA activation or something else but certainly it is real to me and quite painful at times. And all the people I met accidentally' for past two years and all the circumstances involved would be a story of its own. The way I see it all of this isnt real only to people who still like to live in duality, they actually enjoy it as it something they can at least understand and see and quite comfortable in their little familiar world.

[Nicole]

Sea,

I see what you mean. But still, even though not everyone's opinion's matter to me in the way that I've got an emotional investment in that person, I still don't really appreciate it when things are said that are...not nice, mean, etc. It's sort of like that bumper sticker that says "mean people suck." It's like I know someone isn't calling me a name or something personally, but I'm like "damn dude, what's your problem?!?" or "whatever," if that makes sense.

I mean, even if you're not emotionally invested, it still doesn't feel good to see or hear some things in this world. Like, for instance, seeing two countries go to war makes me feel sad, even if it's just for a short period.

The slap in the face thing is a term I use from time to time when I feel like someone has been ugly towards me, even if generally. It's sort of a catch all for me I guess, and I don't remember what the Starseed thing was about now I guess once it's over it's forgotten? But there probably are parallels there.


Anyway, thanks for the reply!

[Monikah]

Could somebody tell me what woo-woo means?

[Nicole]

Oh, not to insinuate I wasn't emotionally triggered. I was. Just wanted to explain why I was even though not directed specifically at me.

[Edward]

Monikah said:

Could somebody tell me what woo-woo means?

That is a WQ term and one can take it many ways. But the context I take it as when WQ uses it in a sentence is this. Now this is only my perception and as to what her(WQ) meaning behind it, I don't know. But this what it sounds like to me whenever I read a sentence and she uses that terminology.

To me it sounds like the out of the ordinary, crazy stuff that the rest of the world doesn't believe in and holds scrutiny over. More or less Fantasy Land Stuff.


Peace, Love and Enlightenment,

Ed